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Hi there,

Been playing now for two years, practicing daily usually around an hour at a time.

I`ve noticed of late that I am experiencing what I can only describe as "tendonitis" in my fretting hand

Its sometimes irritating, though not downright painful, and recently its affecting my ability to even fret some simple chords like "D"

for instance.

My hand seems to be tensing up and I am having problems with finger mobility.

The problem seems to be between my 2nd and 3rd fingers

I was wondering if this was common, and how I could rectify it.

Thanks in advance for any input.

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First, take no one's "medical advice" off a forum. You can actually make the situation worse by taking medical advice by way of anecdotal evidence.

If this is a problem which is hindering your abilities, it is best to seek trained medical assistance. They are the only people with the technologies available to properly diagnose and treat any mobility issues.

Now, anecdotally, I have the same problem I would say. This is the second time for a similar issue in my fretting hand.

Plus, I had my picking hand's index finger chewed on by a dog last year which resulted in a serious infection and it is no longer able to move as I prefer. Of course, my preferred style of play is fingerstyle picking. My playing has slowed down but I keep going for now.

More than likely, your issue stems from inflammation in the soft tissues of your hand. Possibly, in the "pulleys" which activate movement in your fingers. The condition is explained as a variation on carpal tunnel syndrome. Rest and support of the affected area are possibly a first course before beginning on any medicine based treatment.

That's a guess on my part. There could be several other issues which have developed including some arthritis in your knuckle.

Check with your physician.

The next level of treatment for inflammation is typically going to begin with rather low level NSAIDS. Those would be your basic aspirin and ibuprofen type of meds. Both can have some serious side effects and would not be suggested for people with specific health conditions. A physician can prescribe a variation on the NSAID regime which has fewer side effects, this would be a good idea if you have a history of ulcers or other gastro-intestinal problems.

Tylenol is a preferred pain reliever though it has no anti-inflammatory effects. Don't mix two pain relief types of meds.

There are, of course, several "natural" methods of dealing with inflammation. The most effective of the non-prescription anti-inflammatories is (probably) a round of turmeric.

Of course, proper diagnosis almost always begins with a few X-Rays to confirm the existence of, or lack of, specific conditions/problems.

Steroid injections would be the next step if the NSAIDS proved not to resolve the issue after several months of treatment. I will tell you, steroids injected into your hand are not a nice experience! Injections are almost always limited to only two or three before the next step moves to surgery.

At times, the cure isn't worth the cost, either in money or the physical issues involved. Surgery most always means you will not be using that hand for about six to eight weeks. And all treatments require considerable time before moving to the next level or recovery afterwards.

A few years ago I experienced my first issue with my hands. I had been doing yard work for an elderly neighbor and I woke up the next day with the last two fingers on my fretting hand frozen into a semi-curled condition. As time when on in the course of waiting for the specialist to properly diagnose the problem and then begin treatments, I decided I needed to think about an alternative just in case I couldn't regain an adequate degree of dexterity in my fingers.

I started to learn slide guitar and lap steel/dobro. I have to say I have less comfort playing lap style but it is an alternate when my hands simply don't want to play otherwise.

Good luck and check with your doctor.

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I would say it's not uncommon, My suggestions..

Do something now don't let it get chronic.

Cut back on time spent playing for a couple of weeks. Examine your playing position to ensure left arm and hand are as relaxed as possible, no tension anywhere, concentrate on using the lightest amount of pressure to fret chord, don't hold one chord for a long time, try to refrain as much as possible from using thumb to fret bass note. Hopefully you should notice an improvement.

Good luck with it

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Thanks for the input

I am tending to lean towards a period of rest. Is it possible to over use the fretting hand when continually playing the same chord progressions while practicing tunes ?

My tutor describes it as "red light fever", and maybe my problem comes from tensing the fretting hand or rushing into a chord change.

Its really pissing me off now, and it definitely wasn't an issue before.

If rest doesn't work, I guess I`ll have to seek medical advice, to see if it really is "Tendonitis"

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Rest is your most important first remedy. Whether you have treatments/surgery or simply rest your hand, rest is where you begin. Surgery and even some treatments will make you rest your hand. So no matter which way you go, you are probably going to need to rest your hand at some point.

On top of all my hand issues, I took a fall a few years ago and shattered my elbow on my left (fretting hand) side. When the elbow blew apart, the triceps muscle released and retracted up into my arm. It's very possible the finger issues I'm having right now could be related to the repairs which were made through surgery. The whole thing is kind of like a car that should have been totalled but the insurance company put it back together. Totalling my arm wasn't an option.

Obviously, I had to rest my arm and couldn't play until after surgery. That was a six week wait with another eight weeks after surgery before the surgeon would OK short practice sessions. At that time I was sent, for the second time in two years, to physical rehab.

I showed each therapist what I did when I played and they all agreed playing was the best therapy I could do with a few minor tweaks to the routine. That means playing in short sessions and without stress on your hand is both good and bad.

The "good" is, you keep your hands moving and your arm/shoulder loose. The "bad" is, you do not play when pain intrudes. Consider pain to be your friend in that it is giving a clear warning that something isn't right. Do not play through pain.

Now, the really bad news (for me) is I have rested my hand for almost a year. It's not much better. I can play a bit more and a bit more complex material at a bit faster tempo but nowhere near where I was before the problem began. One thing that helps me is that capo up the neck that I often suggest for student players. It breaks the string tension of the break angle over the nut and makes playing less stressful. If you want to play with others, tune down a 1/2 or a whole step and place the capo on the appropriate fret. But don't push yourself.

What causes the problem is an unknown. My hand specialist wasn't all that concerned about how I injured my hand, just how to get it back working. Repetitive actions do contribute to arm and hand issues but playing the same chord progressions over time probably isn't to blame for any pains. More than likely, you won't get a diagnosis which suggests you did "this" and "that" is what did the damage.

Make sure you are not using poor technique in your playing. No slouching. No dropped shoulder. No sloppy hand positions. All of these can lead to more stress on your body and particularly on your hand. If you haven't recorded yourself from several angles and up close, try that and be critical of how you stand and how you play.

Now, more bad news from me? Yep!

I called my insurance company today to ask about getting something done about my hand. Yes, they will pay their share for a specialist but ... they won't pay for Xrays until I've met my deductible. When I asked how an orthopedic specialist was supposed to make a diagnosis without taking Xrays, I got crickets on the other end.

Not their problem. I certainly could have chosen to pay twice as much per month for my premium to deal with that "deductible" issue.

I would highly suggest you head to a doctor for some real medical advice. Just beware, you can get yourself into such a mess with insurance that you will be selling a few guitars to cover the bills.

Till then, play but be careful. Do not force yourself to play once pain begins.

Good luck.

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I've heavily damaged my hands over the years. Most of the injuries were, I suppose you could say, my fault. I hope my posts didn't read as a plea for empathy but rather as a bit of a warning that leaving your issue unattended can simply lead to further problems. I hope your insurance company is better than mine when it comes to actually having an interest in you getting the treatments required to make you healthy again.

I have no "conspiratorial" leanings when it comes to insurance companies other than I realize the insurance industry is a for profit type that nowdays says its greatest allegiance is to the stock holder, not the client. However, for anyone considering medical care - or in the sad circumstance where you are faced with emergency care - a look into a recent article in Time magazine might be enlightening. "You only think you are covered" deals with the many "out of network" providers and drugs which can pop up even when you have taken care to ensure you are dealing with a health care provider within your company's network.

The Time magazine site on line is all but impossible to actually navigate IMO. The article though details the unnoticed "others" in a room when treatments are given. One out of network person in the room can end up costing you thousands. One drug or injection not approved by your insurer can result in considerable shock when you are presented with a bill in the hundreds of dollars range for what you've been told is your best, safest course of treatment.

Last year, when I switched insurance providers due to an unexpected 40% increase in the cost of premiums, one of the drugs I take daily went from $25 per month to $588 per month out of pocket because the new insurance didn't cover that drug or any equivalent to that drug. In that case, my physician found an alternative that did keep my costs down but ... A friend who was undergoing cancer treatments was told her insurer wouldn't pay for "this" drug until she had shown she couldn't take a cheaper alternative despite her cancer doc's advice the alternative was not an acceptable course of treatment in her case.

My issues aside, Salto, you should take yourself to a doctor for a diagnosis.

And, here again, I have to say, my experience with some doctors has been almost laughable. When I initially went to the orthopedic department of UT Southwestern with my first bout of hand problems, they naturally took Xrays. When I got in to see the doc, he diagnosed my problem was "tight joints".

"Tight joints?", I asked.

"Yes, the joints in your knuckles are very close together and that can cause issues with mobility."

"OK, sir, but wouldn't I have had 'tight joints' before I did the yardwork and before my hand stopped working? Remember? I told you I woke up one morning after doing yardwork and my fingers were frozen in this position."

He seemed rather put out that I would question his ... "diagnosis".

"Well, I'm not a hand specialist. You need to come back in about a month when the new hand person will be here."

So some specialists aren't always the special people you actually need to talk to.

When I presented this latest problem to my current general care physician, I was told I had developed trigger finger. Rest was the suggested treatment at that time. Except the symptoms I am experiencing are not what you typically see with trigger finger.

It just so happened that doc was out on maternity leave for my next visit in six months and I saw yet another doc. I mentioned my hand issues and his advice was, "A lot of times, you just need to slowly work the hand harder to get it back in shape."

Well, maybe I am not remembering exactly how I got to this point because I really can't pin point a time when this was not there and then suddenly was there but working my hand "harder" was essentially what I was doing by playing the guitar, a "best procedure" rehab treatment according to the physical therapists I had seen.

All of this leads to the conclusion hand problems are very difficult to diagnose because not all docs, even those specialists who should know better, are good at diagnosing hand problems.

There are, according to what I've been told, orthopedics who specialize in the problems typical to musicians.

Dallas is awash in specialists who treat sports related injuries (you can find one at any Mercedes dealership any day of the week) yet I can't seem to find one that is interested in the problems related to playing an instrument. If you can find such a creature, I would highly suggest you see if they are in your insurance network.

The doc I ended up seeing last time is now out of network for me. Though given the deductible I have, I'm not so sure it wouldn't be worth simply paying out of pocket rather than deal with all the other diagnosis I have received that don't really address the real problem or that are actually contradictory to each other.

Once again, good luck. Find the right doctor and get a proper diagnosis. Rest your hand some until then and maybe this is something that will pass with time. Finding the right doctor seems to be the hardest part though.

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El Salto, do not try to 'play through' this problem I did that on the 'advice' of my guitar teacher at the time - it mostly affected my thumb from doing lots of barre chords for several hours a day. My thumb became stiff and was painful whenever I tried to grip anything. I was unable to bend it even when I tried to force it down with my other hand. It also affected the tendons in the palm of my hand so I ended up not being able to grip strongly enough to hold a coffee cup.

I stopped playing guitar completely for 3 years, because by then I had to. But even after 3 years I was getting sharp pains in my hand whenever I tried to play most chords. I finally decided to switch to playing left handed - starting over, right from the beginning, which was a very interesting experience, and great brain training.

I learned in passing that you can switch most guitars from right stinging to left, especially when starting out again (switch the bridge around as well). In the end I bought a new set of left handed guitars which wasn't ideal for the hip pocket - all were ebay specials but still good.

So, whatever else you do, do not try to 'play through' any hand discomfort. Do not be tempted into doing that, that's a really bad idea.

After about 6 years from the start, I don't have any symptoms in my left hand, and might be able to go back to right handed, but I haven't tested that out, and am sticking to being a lefty for now.

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I have been off forum for a while and this is just an update

The problem, while not having gone away completely, is still there, but I have tried to rest it as much as possible

Seems to be better, but just when I think all is ok, I do something innocuous with my hand, like wash dishes or even putting on a sock

And there it is again, its a real pisser

I don't think I could learn left handed (Carol), nor could I not play for six weeks (Dutchman) but many thanks for the advice.

Have to persevere with caution.

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I found that taking cod liver oil (about a tablespoonful daily) and glucosamine supplement tablets works for me as a maintenance. Rest is also needed during painful periods - which I don't get any more.

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What does your hand position look like? I start feeling pain when I hold the guitar low when standing.

When seated, I have my hand in a "classical guitar position" where my thumb is behind the neck and it looks like I'm holding up a golf ball on my fingertips. In this position, I feel no pain unless I've been at it for hours.

Lighter strings and low action help as well.

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JanVigne, on 14 Jun 2016 - 12:10 PM, said:

ES, does your finger ever "catch" when you are playing or working with your hands; http://orthoinfo.aaos.org/topic.cfm?topic=a00024

Cant say it does Jan

I have tried playing less regularly and resting for periods of time

But the tendon strain is still there though not as prevailant

It reoccurred recently when trying to play some barred jazz chords

Guess it will go away in time

In reply to lorsban, I rarely play standing up and almost always play while seated

I have recently adjusted the action of the guitar and tried a different guage string set up

Just have to hope for the best, still enjoying playing immensely

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Other than resting your hand/arm, what are you doing to treat the condition?

Have you considered going to a doc for a diagnosis?

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ES, no word from you recently on any positive progress or worsening of your issues. I am assuming you still have not been to a doctor for a proper diagnosis.

Recently, I began a self "treatment" program which involves transverse friction massage.

Here's a bit about the process, though I would strongly encourage you to do more investigation before you attempt any such manipulation of the underlying tissues in your hand or arm; http://www.physio-pedia.com/Deep_friction_massage

First, a diagnosis is still appropriate.

Any self treatment has the high to moderate potential of worsening the problem if you aren't sure what is the actual cause of your issue. Often, an orthopedic physician can make a diagnosis without taking Xrays since the causes are well known and the occurrence of such problems is very common in older patients.

An orthopedic can also describe to you the exact points where the massage would best be aimed. Massaging even a few inches from the point of inflammation may be worthless.

Therefore, I once again encourage you to get a diagnosis.

In my case, I can identify the issues I am currently having with my hands since this has been a recurring issue over the last few years and is well described in even simple on line medical literature. With a fair amount of confidence as to why I was having problems and what the problems are, I therefore began a series of massage treatments aimed at breaking down the scar tissue and swelling of the sleeve through which the tendons glide in order to move my fingers. In addition to prior experience with such hand problems, the small knot which accompanies trigger finger issues can easily be located in the palm of both of my hands. With this knowledge I set out to do as much as possible without resorting to steroid injections.

For the better part of the last year, I have been in a situation where I have been unable to play my guitars due to the pain of applying pressure with my fingers to the strings and the inability of my fingers to respond to my mental commands. As you know, this can be highly frustrating when it stops your enjoyment from a favorite activity.

I can say the massage/exercise/icing course has helped considerably as within the first week I have picked up my guitars and I am now back to playing fairly simple tunes without problems. I am hoping that with continued treatment, several times each day, I might be able to get back most, if not all, of my prior dexterity.

The keys points of transverse friction massage, as I understand them, are; moving the skin with sufficient pressure over the affected area of the tendon/sleeve to begin breaking down the swelling and the scar tissue which is at the root of the pain and stiffness. "Transverse friction" pressure is meant to imply you are moving across the underlying tissue rather than in a longitudinal path (which would be with the length of the tendon). After the massage period is over (and it can continue for any amount of time you prefer after you have "warmed up" the underlying tissue), gentle exercise and stretching will further assist in breaking the scar tissue down and minimizing any adhering tissue between the tendon and the sleeve.

After the exercise period, icing the affected area will further reduce inflammation. The process is simple and in most cases can be performed without assistance from another individual when your arm or hand is involved.

So far this has shown more than a bit of progress in both of my hands. I understand this will likely take several weeks to resolve to the point where any further issues would require intervention by a medical professional. With the easing of my hands over the last few days though I'm hopeful I will make it to the point where any residual issues are minor and will not require any further medical attention. I will then continue to work on the process for the rest of my life as the issues begin to re-occur.

I am passing this on to you in hopes you can have as much success with this treatment as I seem to be experiencing. If you remain reluctant to visit a medical professional, it is possible a licensed massage therapist could confirm a tissue damage issue and describe the methodology for transverse friction massage which you could undertake on your own.

Good luck if you pursue this course of treatment. It seems to be working well for me. I hope it benefits you equally.

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Hi everyone, been a stranger of late

Jan, sorry to hear of your continual issues with your pain, and subsequent problems trying to play.

My tendon issues had disappeared as quickly as they appeared, with no warning, and no hint as to why I was even experiencing difficulty

Then after a period of time, they have returned.

I am beginning to think it may be related to joint pain that I suffer from in my knees, pelvis etc

My wrist seems to be playing up in conjunction with the tendon problem

I think I may relent and go and see a doctor

The massage thing may help, and I will start to give it a try

I`m still playing regularly and still enjoying it, but the twinges and tenderness off the tendon is a real pain in the ass

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Good to hear from you again, El Salto. Sorry to hear you are still having problems.

I think we're both getting to the point where diagnosing a problem is like looking at that car with 250k miles on it and wondering which part has worn the most.

Joint pain is often a matter of damage done to the cartilage which acts as a cushion between two bones. I really overworked my left knee two weeks ago moving landscaping stones for a neighbor and it has been two weeks of wondering when the knee replacement was finally going to be recommended. I've torn up that particular knee on several occasions and each time I mess with it, it takes longer to get right again.

I'm thinking for you and I, we stop buying guitars for awhile and we invest our money in the companies that make braces and wraps and rub on creams for all the things that hurt on old people. There is no downside to that market.

Certainly, a visit to the doctor is your best bet. Otherwise, all the treatments you can conceive may be doing absolutely nothing.

What you are describing though would seem to be a matter of inflammation in the underlying tissues of your hand. I really can't come up with a reason for my hand problems other than they are common to and related issues often seen with other health issues I am experiencing as I grow older.

No need to go into detail about my past health issues but I probably just have the underlying conditions for certain things to creep in.

Here's my regimen at present; massage as I've indicated and I sleep with splints on my affected fingers to minimize the movement of my fingers at night. This supposedly gives the inflamed tissues a bit of a rest while not interfering with my day to day movements.

Stretching and manipulation exercises, which include playing the guitar, after the massage.

Finally, I've incorporated a TENS unit; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transcutaneous_electrical_nerve_stimulation

These are fairly common nowdays and prices are reasonable. There are several that aren't worth buying but the unit I have been using ( https://www.overstock.com/Health-Beauty/TENS-Handheld-Electronic-Pulse-Massager-Unit/10594825/product.html?recset=dee6c21a-46b8-49a2-8a0a-01a9498da5fb&refccid=3YKCMBW7ELN3A7SFWXXPTZN2PM&recalg=870,839&recidx=1) came highly recommended several years ago.

Finally, I've been heading towards a more complete switch to an anti-inflammatory diet. So much of the processed crap we are eating eventually shows up as problems in our bodies. I've done organic gardening for decades so I am rather certain we are slowly being poisoned by Big Agra. The human body was not designed to process RoundUp and all the other things that are now "traditional" ways of supplying a nation which demands vast quantities of food at the lowest cost and the quickest time spent acquiring it. Just reading the ingredients in a packaged loaf of white bread is enough to scare me.

Supplements are part of this diet change and they start with all the things old people might already have in their cabinets. You just have to become consistent in your approach to getting good in and bad out. That's so much the problem with us, we do something good for a few days or weeks and then we stop. Then again, you see these people sweating and working their b*tts off, and paying someone to let them sweat in their big box gym, but never going out to do their own lawn.

The mental and physical activity that goes into growing something has a lot to do with how well you feel IMO. I can hurt like h*ll after a full day in the yard but still always feel better about what I've accomplished. And I haven't spent a single moment thinking about anything other than what I need to accomplish so the time is not devoted to all the problems, only to the solutions.

I try not to get wacky about this but I realize I have for decades relied on the fast food burger and fries, tacos, etc that promote things such as inflammation. Like any diet I still have a burger on occasion but now it's from from a better source than a drive thru window.

I happened to see a news story the other day that the wait time at the drive thru has increased to a full three minutes because more people are eating fast food. Three Minutes!!! Think about what you can do in three minutes and then think about what you would have to do to make a meal in three minutes. We are killing ourselves and paying for the pleasure.

So there's not much to recommend until you see a doctor for a real diagnosis but those are the things I've been doing and how I've changed my lifestyle a bit to hopefully not make things worse.

Playing is getting better though I'm back to a beginner/intermediate level song selection to ease my hands into submission again. And that's all I need really. I play for myself and no one else so what mistakes I make only I know about. Well, me and my dog who lays by my side while I play. She's very forgiving though.

See a doc, ElSalto! Good luck and let us know.

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Certainly not good where pain in your hands prevents playing. I do hope you get better.

I've had a similar issue recently but it was my own fault I feel. Have been on my knees sanding a deck for a number of days - it's a big deck - and using my left (fretting) hand as support. Now I have lost some feeling in my both ring and little fingers plus a degree of soreness in the wrist. I'm guessing it's a form of nerve compression. I suppose for me, rest will be the only answer but it is very frustrating indeed.

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Hello troops, long time inactive on here


My woes continue

Just when Ive almost forgotten about the tendonitis, now I have real issues with pain in my thumb

Seemed to start occurring recently and has now been aggravated by my use of a 12 string acoustic of late

Its a real bummer, and my doctor seems to think that its early stage arthritis

The painkillers are just crap and I`m confined to rest again

So frustrating, just as I`ve managed to find some like minded intermediate learners to jam with, this occurs

Just have to hope I can get over it.

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On 2018-01-08 at 8:35 PM, El Salto said:


The painkillers are just crap....


I wonder, if the doctors got a cut of the sales would they be more apt to match patients up with the ideal product?

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Good morning, guy, sorry to hear you're still having problems.  


My hand problems are related to both injuries I've sustained and a propensity to develop trigger finger type symptoms.  Neither have much in common with arthritis based pain though my knees are feeling the effects of wearing out.  I no longer climb a ladder more than a few steps which makes home repairs, and even simple yard work and gardening, more difficult.  So I know what you're going through and I do sympathize. 


I will assume your doc has (more or less) diagnosed the onset of osteoarthritis and not a more systemic variation such as rheumatoid arthritis.  I would suggest you obtain a more complete diagnosis before you do much more and certainly before you give up.  Since there are almost 100 "types" of arthritis, simply suggesting you may have the early stages of arthritis is about as good to you as a mechanic telling you he thinks your car has a problem in the suspension or an electrician telling you you'll need to look at your wires.  


I cannot say anything about your doctor and maybe he/she has suggested more testing and you've simply not reached the same conclusion.  However, you will need to know and understand the more specific cause of your discomfort if you are going to actually do anything to lessen the effects.  If your problem is not related to the variation called osteoarthritis, then pain killers are sort of like taking a screwdriver to remove a nail.  For instance, rheumatoid arthritis is an immune system problem and, like most variations on the larger scale of "arthritis", needs to be addressed specifically as your body attacking itself.  Treating it only as your joints wearing out will only make matters worse in the long run and you may find yourself disabled if you aren't treating your problem early in its development. 


So I would very strongly suggest you obtain a real diagnosis and not just a guess by your GP.  


If you complain of pain to a general practioner, unless they have seen test results which give them more direction, they will only prescribe some generic pain killers to minimize the symptoms.  If the pain meds do not also address inflamation, then you may be shooting over the head of the problem.  If they are anti-inflammatory in nature, then they can bring with them side effects which are not acceptable to all patients. 


If you have a gerontologist in your area, you might consider setting up an appointment with someone more familiar with the problems we all face as we get older.  


To get you up and playing again, my best advice is to begin switching to open tunings.  It may mean learning a few new fingerings for familiar chord shapes but they are typically using fewer fingers with shorter, more compact shapes.  Learning either open D or open G will get you lots of room for playing in most keys by way of a capo.  Open tunings will provide a unique sound to your playing that should complement the other instruments in your jam. 


Open tunings are often used in both bottleneck slide styles and lap style playing. 


You should not feel you are being forced into giving up your music, you should only understand you may need to make adjustments to your playing style.  Even the best players reached a point where they began adjusting to their physical limitations brought on by age.


If you want to play, there is a way to do so.  


Good luck.


Get a real diagnosis.    







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Sorry to have to remind you, feeling sorry for yourself has never solved a problem.  There's not a problem in the world other people haven't faced before you arrived.  Look at how others have tackled and brought down to Earth their problems.  Looking is the first step toward doing.




Learning open tunings gives you new insights into playing guitar and making music.  Your mind will benefit from the (minor) challenge you will find in open tunings.  You may learn to play in a different style entirely that will add a new dimension to your sound.  The first time you jam in an open tuning, people will be asking how you got that sound.


It's not a substitute for a specific diagnosis and treatment but it will keep you playing and playing well.  

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Thanks Jan, I do appreciate the input


Trying to play in an open tuning method would present a challenge for me, almost like learning all over again


I`m just frustrated, tomorrow I have a planned Jam with likeminded players at our local rehearsal space


I absolutely live for these nights because they indulge me and help me to play my own songs


But when I`m incapacitated like this it just gets me down, I`m sorry if I seemed dismissive.

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