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Which Modes First?
I'm just starting to learn modes and im wondering which ones i should learn first.
i'm comfortable with Aeolian and Ionian next, and now i'm trying to learn Lydian.
(Also i'm trying out Bebop Minor, is that a benefical scale? same with diminished and whole tone)
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First learn the major modes. The Lonian, Lydian, and Mixolydian. Once you got these down, then learn the minor modes. The Aeolian, Locrian, Dorian and Phrygian.
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I never got beyond ala mode  Works great for pie.
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Hey you guys! Enough with the funny stuff! 
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Hey
Why do you want to learn them?
Modes are useful, but knowing why you are going to learn them is always a good place to start.
After that, have a think about the types of sounds you wish to produce, the players you wish to steal ideas from, and the type of chord progressions you are playing over.
There are certain scales/modes that to me sound like 'Yngwie' or 80's metal straight away, and I am not able to break out of that sound when I play using those scales. I am not overly interested in Yngwie's playing, so I have not worried about going any further in studying those ideas.
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Another consideration is the type of you music you want to use them with. Playing a lot of Renaissance and British folk music, I find the modes I use most (not counting the Ionian and Aeolian, which are the major and natural minor scales) are the dorian and mixolydian modes - the lydian to a lesser extent, the phrygian, hardly ever, and the locrian, not at all.
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Hey
Why do you want to learn them?
Modes are useful, but knowing why you are going to learn them is always a good place to start.
After that, have a think about the types of sounds you wish to produce, the players you wish to steal ideas from, and the type of chord progressions you are playing over.
There are certain scales/modes that to me sound like 'Yngwie' or 80's metal straight away, and I am not able to break out of that sound when I play using those scales. I am not overly interested in Yngwie's playing, so I have not worried about going any further in studying those ideas.
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Hey! what's wrong with Yngwie's guitar playing! (Just kidding) You should check out Joe Stump! That dude can play.
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Originally Posted by Fretsource
Another consideration is the type of you music you want to use them with. Playing a lot of Renaissance and British folk music, I find the modes I use most (not counting the Ionian and Aeolian, which are the major and natural minor scales) are the dorian and mixolydian modes - the lydian to a lesser extent, the phrygian, hardly ever, and the locrian, not at all.
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I use the Aeolian, Locrian and Phrygian when playing Spanish style guitar. 
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No modes here... sorry... I found them confusing.
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No modes here... sorry... I found them confusing.
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Same here, Wern... If I had the choice between memorizing scales, modes, intervals and
all the stuff that goes along with them, or just playing music... I choose just play...!!! 
But then again, I don't like to read instruction manuals either...!!! 
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I am one of those lazy people when it comes to learning things. I always say if i understand something I dont have to learn it... 
I agree on the playing part as well. I prefer to play as well.
I was discussing modes with avery good muso friend of mine. (the sound engineer) I was trying to get him to explain modes to me, and he said that he never used them, and that he just sees the music... I never understood what he meant. Then I decided to buy Kirks book, and now i know what he meant... 
I chatted to him the other day about the PT way of doing things and he said that, that is precisely the way he looked at music... Interresting... 
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Originally Posted by nocat
Same here, Wern... If I had the choice between memorizing scales, modes, intervals and
all the stuff that goes along with them, or just playing music... I choose just play...!!!
But then again, I don't like to read instruction manuals either...!!!
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i made word documents that take away most of the memorization, they're at http://www.geocities.com/teach_yours...itar/Modes.zip. They're in stanley jordan tuning (the tuning i use) but all you have to do is slide over the notes one fret on the high e and b. The black notes are the roots, you pick anywhere one the guitar to put the root and then play any note with a dot on it, its very intuitive and you can improvise.
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Question for everyone!! Am I wrong to think that the different modes are just relating to where you start your scale on the neck of the guitar? Probably I am but i need to know these things!!!!
I pray one day I can play....Good
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