[nagukush]

Hi All

One of the main problems that I've figured out, If I start teaching Guitar here is that I have to teach a few of the Simple Local-songs initially, to bring interest (as the English songs we know and play are'nt popular here and noone even knows about them) So I cant teach them the songs that I love to play. For this I've tried to figure out a solution (I'm really sorry If I'm wrong) Kindly suggest me :

I plan to learn the Notes of the A-Major scale (For Example) all over the fretboard and then taking a few basic example songs (In A Maj) I'd try to figure them out by ear, using the A-Maj notes that I had learnt. I plan this because Tabs for the local songs are'nt popular on the Net too ! and I guess I'd have to learn them first before I can initiate any interest in people.

Kindly advice me whether this is ok, I'm really not sure if the above makes any sense (Musically)

Lots of Regards and Care
Kush

[nowhere-man]

Hi Kush, I can't help you musically as you know, but I think your most pressing decision is what type of music to teach them.
I don't think it would be very productive to teach kids how to physically play the instrument without relating the lessons to music they are familiar with.

In Western countries, nursery rhymes are generally very well known, and simple. (Note to self: must try some then!)

Do you have anything similar there?
If not, maybe you could introduce them to a couple of simple Western nursery rhymes, get them singing to get them used to the melodies, and go on from there.

Just a thought.

Here's a link that could throw up some ideas.
http://www.google.co.uk/search?sourc...n+music+scales

Good luck,

Geoff

[nagukush]

Hey Buddy !!!

I hope everythings great there !!! Thank you so much for the Idea, I think nursery ryhmes would be a good place to start (even If I cant get them to like or play the western music, Nursery ryhmes should be able to do the Job ) Thanks for your kind thoughts Pal !

Lots of Care and Love
your
kush

[si16]

Kush, if you're going to show them the notes in a scale perhaps C Major would be more appropriate. C Major does not contain any flats or sharps so there would be less room for confusion.

[allthumbs]

Does the local music contain western chords? If they do, you should be able to figure out the chord progressions and use P.T. to figure out the melodies. Learning chords is a basic part of any new players lessons.

[nagukush]

Originally Posted by allthumbs

Does the local music contain western chords? If they do, you should be able to figure out the chord progressions and use P.T. to figure out the melodies. Learning chords is a basic part of any new players lessons.

Hi Marty !

Thanks for caring !
But how do I figure out the Chord-Progressions for the songs ? Will PT help me in this too ? Sorry for asking, but actually I'm more familiar with the Western Music than the Local one.

Kind Regds
Kush

[allthumbs]

Yes it will. From the lessons here you know most western songs are variations of the I,IV,V chord progression. On page 66 in the P.T. book there are 6 of the most common chord progressions. Find out the key of the tune your trying to learn and then the chord structure should start to fall into place. The fact that you are going to teach the A scale to play over tunes would suggest that the key of the tune is in A.

[nagukush]

Originally Posted by allthumbs

Yes it will. From the lessons here you know most western songs are variations of the I,IV,V chord progression. On page 66 in the P.T. book there are 6 of the most common chord progressions. Find out the key of the tune your trying to learn and then the chord structure should start to fall into place. The fact that you are going to teach the A scale to play over tunes would suggest that the key of the tune is in A.

Hi Marty

I'm sorry If I'm not making any sense here, but I just want to clear this badly !

If a Song is in a Major Scale (any major scale C,D,E..etc), Cant it be played in any other Major scale too (for eg : in A Major Scale) ??? I just wanted to know this because as far as I've understood the Major Scale, in all the Major Scales the "Relationships of Notes" remain the same, Rite ??? So the song would just be in a diffrent key ???

Sorry for bothering, Pal, I dont want to go deep into Scales, but just wanted to know whether I've understood things in a right manner.

Regds
Kush

[allthumbs]

I am not much for scales but, my understanding is that you can only play scales that are related to the Key. Scales are a very deep subject. Be carefull you don't get tangled up in them to deeply.

[Jim]

Originally Posted by nagukush

If a Song is in a Major Scale (any major scale C,D,E..etc), Cant it be played in any other Major scale too (for eg : in A Major Scale) ??? I just wanted to know this because as far as I've understood the Major Scale, in all the Major Scales the "Relationships of Notes" remain the same, Rite ??? So the song would just be in a diffrent key ???

Hi Kush,

That's correct. A song in a major key can be transposed and played in any other major key since the relationship between the intervals of the scale in any key are the same. But you will probably want to choose an "easy" key to remember (very few sharps or flats - Cmaj has no sharps or flats) if you're teaching to beginners because they will be less confused.

Jim

[allthumbs]

I see I misunderstood your question Kush. Jim has it right.

[nagukush]

Originally Posted by Jim

Hi Kush,

That's correct. A song in a major key can be transposed and played in any other major key since the relationship between the intervals of the scale in any key are the same. But you will probably want to choose an "easy" key to remember (very few sharps or flats - Cmaj has no sharps or flats) if you're teaching to beginners because they will be less confused.

Jim

Hi Jim !!

I hope everythings great there !!! Thankyou so much for Caring, Pal !!!

I'm sorry for asking again but May I know when you said :

But you will probably want to choose an "easy" key to remember

Did you mean "Easy" key, is that key, to which I plan the songs to be transposed ?
and is'nt it true that a song which is in a major-key can be transposed only to other major-keys ? I hope I'm clear with what I want to know, but can the Minor-Key songs or other scales, also be played in a Major-Key ?

I'm really sorry If I'm not clear

Kindest Regds
Kush

[Jim]

Originally Posted by nagukush

Did you mean "Easy" key, is that key, to which I plan the songs to be transposed ?
and is'nt it true that a song which is in a major-key can be transposed only to other major-keys ? I hope I'm clear with what I want to know, but can the Minor-Key songs or other scales, also be played in a Major-Key ?

Yes - I mean choose the key you transpose the song *to*, to be one with few sharps or flats if you're teaching beginners to make it easy for them to understand. It doesn't matter what key the song is in originally - you can transpose it to a key, like C, G, F, which has no, or only one sharp or flat. C and G are probably the most easy keys for beginners to understand (no accidentals or just one sharp).

Yes - if you want the "feel" of the song to remain the same, then if it's originally in a major key you must transpose to another major key, or if it's originally in a minor key, you must transpose to another minor key. If you transpose from major to minor, you will change the feel of the song - from "bright, happy" to more "dark, sad" for example. If you transpose a minor key song to a major key, the feel will change from darker to brighter.

You can add color to a song by replacing *some" of the major chords with relative minor chords and visa versa (like replacing a C major chord with an A minor chord, or a G major chord with an E minor chord) - the relative minor, which is a minor 3rd (3 half-steps) lower than the major...or replace a minor with it's relative major (up a 3rd -- 3 half steps), and that is something you can experiment with and see how it sounds to you.

Here's a link about relative major/minor (you can think of major to minor also as going UP a 6th rather than down a 3rd, the key you end up with will be the same and the same for minor to major - down a 6th rather then up a 3rd):

http://www.zentao.com/guitar/theory/relative-minor.html


Jim

[nagukush]

Hey Jim !!!!

Thankyou so much for caring Pal !!! That explanation really helped a great deal, and thanks for the Link too !!! You've been so kind to read my doubts and helping me out. I've been really hoping to clear these things, atleast to some extent, but I did,nt want to bother anybody too much. I hope I'm not irritating you with my questions, but just wanted to know one last thing :

I understand the term "TRANSPOSING" as for example : Playing a Song of C-Major in G-Major. Thus Transposing means : playing a Song of a Maj-Scale in another Maj-Scale. Am I right, Pal ??? So here its simple as both ('to' and 'from' are major scales) and the song easily fits into the notes of the other. Rite ?

But when I go from a Minor scale to a Major (I understand that the feel would change to a bit "Happier") but How is "TRANSPOSING" done here ??? I hope I'm not sounding senseless here, but this is all I know of Scales and Theory (and I'm ashamed of this fact ) So How is Transposing done in this case ?

Kindly bear with me , If I'm asking something senseless and I really-really thank you from the bottom of my heart for all the help and explanation

Kindest Regards and Lots of Thanks
Kush

[allthumbs]

When you get into P.T. Kush, you will find that transposing is fairly simple.
I am not sure I understand your question. You can transpose minor keys to other minor keys which will leave the feel of the song intact since the intervals will be the same in what ever key you chose. To transpose a minor to a major means the b3 has to be raised to a 3. That will completely change the feel of the tune. Just compare an Am to an A chord to hear the difference. Not necessarily a bad thing to do and is quite common in song construction, majorizing or minorizing a chord but, for accuracy in transposing you need to keep the same intervals intact in each key.