[Bluesyzep]

Hopefully the post won't be more confusing than the thread title. I'm trying to give it another go.

First. Is the scale in standard tuning different from 1st, 4th, and 5th in major scale? This may be why I'm confused.

Example: In E major It's open low E, open A, and 5th string 2nd fret is B.

The way I read it is by standard tuning. That gives me open low E, 5th string fourth fret (C#/D flat), and 5th string 5th fret (D).

What am I missing?

[Fretsource]

Originally Posted by Bluesyzep

First. Is the scale in standard tuning different from 1st, 4th, and 5th in major scale? This may be why I'm confused.

Example: In E major It's open low E, open A, and 5th string 2nd fret is B.

The way I read it is by standard tuning. That gives me open low E, 5th string fourth fret (C#/D flat), and 5th string 5th fret (D).

What am I missing?

The example you gave (E,A & B) is the 1st, 4th, & 5th of the scale of E major as they appear in STANDARD tuning.

I've no idea what you mean about the E, C# and D, though.

[allthumbs]

Nope, they are both equally confusing.
The 5th string is open A. Fret it at the second fret and it is a B which is the 5th note in the E chord. The second fret-4th string is the root or E. The third string-first fret is the 3 of the E chord which is a G#.
Standard tuning isn't really considered a scale as far as I know so I am not following your point there.

[monk]

Could you possibly rephrase your question? What is it that you want to know?

[kidhaiti]

tthe way I understand it is the progression just refers to the sequence of chords in the song or part.

the numerals indicate witch step or note of the major scale the chord is built on

so in the key of E

I II III IV V VI VII
E F G A B C D

That gives me open low E, 5th string fourth fret (C#/D flat), and 5th string 5th fret (D).

not sure but you might be cofusing steps in the scale with steps on frets?

[monk]

The Key Of E is:

E F# G# A B C# D# E.

Gotta have those sharps in there.

E F G A B C D is the E Phrygian mode which is simply the Key of C beginning on the third note.

Regards,
Monk

[monk]

Also, Arabic numbers are used to represent scale tones.
1 2 3 4 5 6 7

Roman numerals are used for chords. Upper case for major. Lower case for minor.
I ii iii IV V vi vii

Regards,
Monk

[Bluesyzep]

Originally Posted by allthumbs

Nope, they are both equally confusing.
The 5th string is open A. Fret it at the second fret and it is a B which is the 5th note in the E chord. The second fret-4th string is the root or E. The third string-first fret is the 3 of the E chord which is a G#.
Standard tuning isn't really considered a scale as far as I know so I am not following your point there.

I'm starting to see part of the problem. I'm trying to turn scale degrees into a literal translation of the fretboard. Simply, I'm misinterperating the blues scale. I have enough lesson material in front of me. The answer is here somewhere. Will have to slow the video down and watch closer.

[Bluesyzep]

Originally Posted by kidhaiti

not sure but you might be cofusing steps in the scale with steps on frets?

I am.

Thanks for all the speedy responses.

[kidhaiti]

yeh your right monk I was rushing that a bit

I ii iii IV V vi vii
E F# G# A B C# D#

Hows that. I used numerals because we are talking progression, is that right.

[Bluesyzep]

Originally Posted by monk

Also, Arabic numbers are used to represent scale tones.
1 2 3 4 5 6 7

Roman numerals are used for chords. Upper case for major. Lower case for minor.
I ii iii IV V vi vii

Regards,
Monk

Hmm. Thanks for the tip.

[monk]

kidhaiti,
The Roman numerals are used to represent the chords.
So, I ii iii IV V vi vii would indicate either:

E F#m G#m A B C#m D#dim or

Emaj7 F#m7 G#m7 Amaj7 B7 C#m7 D#m7b5.

If you refer to E F# G# A B C# D# as the notes of the scale it would be 1 2 3 4 5 6 7.

If you are describing a chord progression such as:
E C#m F#m B7 you would use:

I vi ii V7.

Regards,
Monk

[Bluesyzep]

Got it. Now I'm onto my next headache. Shuffle rhythem and eighth-note triplets.

[kidhaiti]

Ah! cool, thanks for the clarity brother monk

[monk]

Stay positive. Think of it as a challenge rather than a headache.

Regards,
Monk