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why 7ths on the 5 chord?

I found an old chord chart wheel that you spin around and it gives you the 7 chords for any key and I was playing with it and noticed that for the 5 chord (or should I say V) it lists every one as a 7th. Such as the I IV V for C is C-F-G7th. All of Kirk's chord guides I have seen that I know of lists the V chord as a straight chord with no 7ths. Why the difference?
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They're probably doing it that way because chord V is often used with the 7th in practice. It makes the V chord a bit stronger.
Kirk's listing is more logical, though. He's listing just the TRIADS, which makes more sense for a chart showing the triads that can be built on every scale note. The dominant 7th chord can also be built on the fifth scale note but isn't a triad, so shouldn't really be included with the others, without some explanation at least.


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In the case you are describing the G7 can be used for the turn around chord that takes you back to the I chord. A lot of music does that as a dom. 7th resolves nicely back to the I Chord. You can do it or not do it depending on personal preferance and how you want to resolve back to the I.

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Plain old chords are three-noters: triads. The V chord doesn't have to be a 7th, in fact sometimes shouldn't be a 7th. The latest Amazing Grace lesson I did has a couple of V chords that weren't 7ths because it didn't sound appropriate. But if you are going add that 4th note to the chord, then it's the flat 7 that goes with the V chord, the (major) seven for the I and IV ... unless of course you're in the Blues/Jazz genre where they can all be sevenths.

The reason they are different forms of sevenths is that the mother scale (of the I chord) is determining the notes in each chord. The asymmetrical way they fall (TTsTTTs) makes is so they all have a major 3rd, making them all major, but when it comes to adding the next note -- a 7, since the formula is every odd note from the scale -- two of them fall as major sevenths, one as flat seven. The best way to literally see this is on the scale clock below. Simply look at the intervals of the C, F and G chords.

I chord: C E G B -- Cmaj7
IV chord: F A C E -- Fmaj7
V chord: G B D F -- G7th

Again though, this doesn't always apply, it doesn't have to be this way.





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Thanks to everyone for the replies...so I guess that it was just a different way of stating the chords on the mentioned chart.....not really wrong, just a different view of it???
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