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July 26th, 2007
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Question about minor keys
Hi,
I have a question about major and minor keys. In the key of C for example, the root progression is:
I ii iii IV V vi vii
C D E F G A B
The corresponding minor key would be Am. So in the key of Am, the root progression is:
Am B C Dm Em F G
What are the corresponding roman numerals? Is it now:
i II III iv v VI VII
Thanks!

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July 26th, 2007
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The natural minor chord degrees are:
i iidim III iv v VI VII
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July 26th, 2007
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Originally Posted by MikeyJ
Hi,
I have a question about major and minor keys. In the key of C for example, the root progression is:
I ii iii IV V vi vii
C D E F G A B
The corresponding minor key would be Am. So in the key of Am, the root progression is:
Am B C Dm Em F G
What are the corresponding roman numerals? Is it now:
i II III iv v VI VII
Thanks!

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Yes - but your chord II is wrong. It's not B major, it's B diminished. So it's ii (with the little circle sign meaning diminished, that my keyboard doesn't have).
Also, remember there are three forms of the minor scale - you've only done the 'natural minor'. The others produce a couple of different chords, e.g., E major instead of E minor.
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July 26th, 2007
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Thank you! I forgot about the VII chord in the key being diminished (which then becomes iidim). And yes, I was only considering the natural minor scale.
Thank you!!!
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P.S. If you use Microsoft Word (and probably any other wordprocessing program), you can Insert a symbol into your text. You can find Ø under 'normal text' when you go to insert a symbol. Then just cut and paste. For example, I typed this reply in Word and cut and pasted here.
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July 26th, 2007
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Thanks Mikey - I was just too lazy to go and get them. I wouldn't even have had to go off site, as I've already used them in my Chord construction lesson in my lessons forum. 
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Originally Posted by MikeyJ
P.S. If you use Microsoft Word (and probably any other wordprocessing program), you can Insert a symbol into your text. You can find Ø under 'normal text' when you go to insert a symbol. Then just cut and paste. For example, I typed this reply in Word and cut and pasted here.
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There's also the Alt Symbols:
Press and hold the alt key, then on the number pad type 0176 and release the alt key. --> ii°
There's a lot of symbols you can do like this:
http://www.tedmontgomery.com/tutorial/ALTchrc.html
-tkr
'Cause I don't wanna read the book, I'll watch the movie.
Tekker's Lessons on GfB&B: Music Theory, Recording, and General Guitar
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July 30th, 2007
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Thanks Tekker - I knew there was a number around somewhere that did this but I couldn't remember what it was.
Do you also know the number for the half diminished symbol?
BTW - I see another thread has appeared answering the same question about the dim symbol - but you got in first so the credit goes to you 
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