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June 14th, 2007
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Out of Key Chords
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just a quick one. When giving numerals to chords how do you number a chord which does not belong to the key?
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They can be written in a couple of ways. In the key of C major, for example, the chord D7 could be written as "V7 of V" (or V7/V). as it's the V7 chord of the key of G (which is the V chord of C)
And Ab and Bb can be written as bVI and bVII
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Another example would be majorized or minorized chords. A D chord has to be minor to belong in the Key of C. It would be notated this way ii ( minor second chord) Majorize it, taking it out of the key would be notated like this II. You would do the opposite for the major in key to the minor out of key, thusly IV to iv.
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thanks for your  What had me baffled was the second chord in the tune in the key of c was B7 and the fourth was Bb and to try and transpose to another key I thought it would be easier by numbers so it baffled me but that should help 
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The B7 would be VII7 and the Bb would be bVII. The VII chord is tricky though because it is a diminished chord that has been changed to a 7th chord. You have to keep that in mind when you transpose.
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Originally Posted by allthumbs
The B7 would be VII7 and the Bb would be bVII. The VII chord is tricky though because it is a diminished chord that has been changed to a 7th chord. You have to keep that in mind when you transpose.
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Its an old tune called "Whispering" and was origionally written in the key of Eb and it is difficult to transpose. Still its good practice 
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