[felixdcat]

Hello everybody!

I was wondering if 7ths, 6ths... chords belong to any key? I guess no because they're made out of simple chords with some other notes? And something belongs to some key, than it consists of 3 notes that are in the key, an depending on the space between, it's major, minor or half dim...

Ok, now does any 7th or whatever then sound good if it's origin is in the key?
I know I'm a bit difficult to understand .
Like:

C is in key of C, would then C7 sound good in the key?
Dm is in key of C, would Dm7 sound good too?

Thanks for help,
Felix

[Fretsource]

They belong to every key Felix. Or, to put it another way, EVERY major key has seven 7th chords and seven 6th chords - (one for each note of the scale)

And every minor key has even more than seven.

Here are the 6th & 7th chords that belong to C major:
C6 - C major7
D min6 - D min7
E min (b6) - E minor 7
F6 - F major7
G6 - G7
A min (b6) - A min7
B dim add b6 - Bm7b5

*Some of those chord names aren't seen in real music. For example, Bdim add b6 has exactly the same notes as G7. (BDFG & GBDF).

[solidwalnut]

Originally Posted by Fretsource

...*Some of those chord names aren't seen in real music. For example, Bdim add b6 has exactly the same notes as G7. (BDFG & GBDF).

"What's in a name?", said Shakespeare. I couldn't resist.

[Fretsource]

Originally Posted by solidwalnut

"What's in a name?", said Shakespeare. I couldn't resist.

Yep - And I think he also said - "An F chord by any other name would be just as hard"

[Fong]

Originally Posted by Fretsource

Yep - And I think he also said - "An F chord by any other name would be just as hard"

That was quite witty.

Made me laugh cause I had to explain to a school teacher that i couldn't teach a bunch of 9 years olds who had never held a guitar before how to play an F Chord in a week.

Some piano players don't realise that some basic chords on a guitar are just a hell of a lot harder then others.

[cshude]

Originally Posted by Fong

That was quite witty.

Made me laugh cause I had to explain to a school teacher that i couldn't teach a bunch of 9 years olds who had never held a guitar before how to play an F Chord in a week.

Some piano players don't realise that some basic chords on a guitar are just a hell of a lot harder then others.

You betcha- also try to explain that you aren't going to play along in Eb, either!

[Fong]

Originally Posted by cshude

You betcha- also try to explain that you aren't going to play along in Eb, either!

You know the odd thing, at college we have singers who 'composed' their own words and music and every single one of them composed in Eb.

Fortunately one of the tutors was a guitarist, but I found it a bit annoying cause I pointed out how hard Eb is on the guitar, so they went away and got the other tutor and he came back and said exactly the same thing I did, Eb...not a good key for the guitar really.

Really annoyed me that they didn't believe me when I said it, like I not been playing for two decades.

[cshude]

I've had people at church ask me to play along with the piano for hymns- they don't understand my reply that most of them are written in keys that are horrible for guitar and that the songs themselves don't translate well to the guitar as written.

[solidwalnut]

Originally Posted by cshude

I've had people at church ask me to play along with the piano for hymns- they don't understand my reply that most of them are written in keys that are horrible for guitar and that the songs themselves don't translate well to the guitar as written.

Yah, I don't think they had us guitarists in mind when they arranged the music. I ran into this when I first started playing old hymns in church in the 90's (I grew up Catholic and so played alot of the guitar-based folk and St. Louis Jesuit songs that were popular). All of these tunes were in Ab, Bb and Eb! I'm going, ok, whatever. I just played E and A form barres and partial barres, I, IV, V, VI, etc. I was really glad I had the Nashville system learned. Really a good experience.