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Totsie    5

Hi,

As I continue my quest to find a electro acoustic guitar I have stumbled across the Faith Saturn Eclipse. All solid wood construction, on board pre amp' and tuner. Dunno about the action height yet but will find out tomorrow as I am going to have a look at one locally.

Has anyone else any personal knowledge of these guitars. It comes in at £ 665.00

Any comments would be appreciated. I went to a larger outlet today and tried a couple of guitars out, one being a Taylor 214 ce. I liked it big time. It was a bit more than I wanted to go at £ 780.00. I probably would have bought it there and then but when I asked if the shop would set it up for me if I bought it, they informed me that it came set up from the factory and they would only tweak the tuning a bit if it sounded off. No mention of the height of the action etc so I just walked away to reconsider. I may still go back yet as it is a beautiful sound with a nice narrow neck which even my small hands can wrap around with ease.

Cheers for any advice

Totsie

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carol m    64

Hi Totsie, I see that Faith Saturns come in dreadnaught size (bigger and louder) or CE size - usually smaller - if CE stands for Concert Edition that is. You should check this when you go to see the Faith guitar.

Have you listened to a cedar top guitar yet? If so, what did you think of the sound? Comparing cedar top and spruce top side by side gives an idea of the difference in tone.

I have not heard a Faith guitar in real life - or a real life Taylor for that matter either. :)

Edit: Oops, I see I was looking at the Natural Saturn not the Eclipse Saturn. I think Faith use the CE label to mean only cutaway, so I think your Eclipse Saturn would be a dreadnaught cutaway - it looks like there is no Eclipse Saturn that is not cutaway - cutaway is good for good access for fingers on the frets nearest to the sound hole, but not essential.

A concert size guitar is smaller than a dreadnaught, and a parlor size is smaller than a concert. A jumbo is the biggest, and bigger than a dreadnaught. This refers to the size and thickness of the guitar body, not the neck.

Necks do have different widths and also radii, and also different shape in cross-section dimensions (oval, flatter oval, c-shape, d-shape etc) and that makes a difference for the feel of the neck in your hand. The body size affects how the guitar feels when you hold it against your body/on your knee, to play.

A professional setup should cost around $30 - $40 Australian and includes the cost of a new set of strings - i.e. not much. Also, if you are interested in a guitar from a store you can haggle for a free setup within 3 months - that's the bribe most stores offer you in Aus if you actually buy the guitar.

The advantage of that is that you can try out your guitar with its factory setup, and if you want it changed in some way (usually lowering the action (string height) for ease of playing but which may be already OK when it leaves the factory), you can go back to the store within 3 months for the free setup once you know what you want.

Also....haggle for a free guitar case - which should work if you actually buy a guitar from them - they probably won't toss in a hard case (unless the guitar comes with its own) but you should be able to get a free soft case with handle for transporting etc - they only cost about $20-$30 max for a basic one.

And why not try for a set of spare strings while you are at it - they do want to sell you a guitar after all - you have leverage - see what you can get (tell them I sent you :)). Most new guitars come with size 12 strings which might be a bit thick for a real beginner - harder on the fingers which will start hurting after one day of messing about for an hour to two - until you get finger tip callouses built up gradually over two or 3 weeks. Size 12's are harder to press down to get clean notes for beginners than thinner strings such as 10's or 11's, but better tone (in theory) - but if the note does not ring out clearly, you won't have any tone to worry about.

Try to get a free set of 10's (or 11's or even 9's) and also if/when you get a professional setup, they will set it up with new strings and you can choose the thickness of what they put on.

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Totsie    5

Hi Carol,

Thanks for the various explanations. It helps to drive it home. I have broadened my horizons a bit with regards to brand and also considered using all my budget on the guitar an leaving the amp until later as for the purposes of learning at home, these things can create a huge noise anyway.

The faith is a definite contender as it has an all solid wood construction, pre amp built in and also a built in tuner. I was impressed with the ease of use of the Yamahas built in tuner when I tried it out today so if I can get one with my chosen model, all the better.

I also tried out the Taylor as mentioned but this did not have a pre amp installed. However, I have came across the Taylor 214ce DLX in a black finish ( which I favour ) which has the pre amp as standard and also comes with a hard shell case. Albeit it's the wrong side of £ 900.00. If I could get the store to agree to a professional set up and get them to throw in a stand and light gauge string ( fitted ) then I could be tempted to go with it. The sound that came out of the Taylor I handled today was amazing. The neck, although 43mm the same as the Yamaha was way better as it was not as deep and my hands could enclose all the way around it. It gave a real feeling of confidence.

Out of curiosity, would you normally accept the model off the shelf or insist on a fresh out of the box version ?

I will visit the shop with the Taylor 1st tomorrow and if they are willing to come and go and provided the model is " fresh " then I think it will be the Taylor.

If not, then it's shop number two in order to have a look at the Faith.

Anyway, I shall post my progress tomorrow. Once again, many thanks for your response as it helps refocus the mind.

Cheers

Totsie

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carol m    64

I personally wouldn't care if it was a guitar on display in the shop or a 'fresh one' if I already liked the shop floor one - as long as it had no dings or scratches. If you go for one 'out of the backroom' make sure you play it yourself before committing to buying it - guitars are all individual - different pieces/cuts of wood etc, and some of the better ones are handmade in the 'factory' as well. Therefore a different guitar of the same brand may have subtle differences of sound, set up etc.

Did you listen to a cedar top yet????

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Totsie    5

Hi Carol,

Sorry, no I haven't as yet. And ........ I've done the deal. I bought the " Faith " . I tried it out just a couple of hours ago and it 's mighty impressive so I done the deal there and then. Bought.

I went back to look at the Taylor again but the guy in the shop was not that bothered about doing any great deal even though I offered to buy the amp and odds and sods at the same time. There was also the feeling that he was trying to swerve me towards what he wanted rid of. I may be wrong. So I walked away again and thought, right let's go and look at this Faith. I'm glad I did. The shop where I bought it were far more flexible and helpful. They seemed more genuine. Not only did I get a reasonable discount on the guitar and amp ( a Marshall AD50 ) but they threw in a lead and some picks for free as well, and knocked a tender of the price of the strap. I probably could have pushed a bit harder but I felt they done enough of their own free will without me being too pushy.

I'll get some pictures up on a thread later to show off my baby.

cheers

A very happy totsie

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micky mac    14

Welcome to the forum Totsie and congrats on the guitar and amp i look forward to gettin a look at them. :guitarguy: :guitarguy: you'll be rockin in no time at all.

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Totsie    5

Hi, Micky Mac

I will attempt to load some photos for anyone with a curious mind. Here goes,

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dont know if these file references turn into pictures once I hit post so here goes. :guitarguy::guitardude::leadguitar:

cheers Totsie

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ronnie    4

hello totsie, I dont know any thing about the brand, but is is a beautiful guitar. looks like good quality, the main thing is if you like it and it feels good and plays good, enjoy it

Ronnie

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Totsie    5

Hi

Ronnie, it is a beautiful instrument, all solid construction as well which is amazing considering the price. The neck is similar to the Taylor I had looked at in as much as I can wrap my wee fingers around it quite easily. The Yamahas I tried had a chunkier neck and it felt a bit more difficult to navigate up and down the frets, albeit they were my guitar of choice to start off with. I got the guy in the shop to play it for me and it sounded very sweet indeed. Delighted with it.

Carol, the fun does indeed begin here, lol. I don't know if anyone else has experienced this but when I got it home, I was scared to touch it, electing to just sort of look at it and think, ohhhhh $h€t.

I still never tried out a model with a Cedar top. Apologies but I was trying to remember everything that I wanted to cover when I finally got into the shop and I was thinking , models, actions, finishes, neck widths etc. I do appreciate the advice given so no offence.

Anyway, once I get my chores done for the day, I'll maybe even get the chance to make a start. .......... Earplugs at the ready everyone .

Cheers for now

Totsie

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carol m    64

Don't worry about Cedar top vs Spruce top - you can get a cedar top for the next one - unless you go for an electric next, and then a cedar top after that. Are you going to have a few lessons to get you started? And yes, a guitar is a beautiful work of art.

I predict:

Your fingers will hurt at the beginning.

You will find that the strings are too close together and the frets are too far apart.

Your small hands will suddenly have fat fingers attached - and your fingers will refuse to do what you tell them to do.

Alzheimers will be delayed by several years.

You will always have something to do in those wasted minutes between doing 'proper' stuff - or during the ads on TV.

Oh yes, a guitar is a chick magnet...... :)

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Totsie    5

Hi Carol,

I hadn't really thought of lessons but now you mention it, maybe it's a good idea just to get me moving and if the instructor is any good, he / she will get my posture and playing methods correct before I start to develop bad habits from the outset.

I think that given all this talk of initial pain, discomfort and awkwardness associated with playing at the beginning, it would be a good idea to get an instructor to continually nag you and stop you from taking the easy route ( if there is one ). Maybe this will give that edge and increase the speed of development / progress. Mmmmmmmm. Leave that one with me. It won't be this month as I have topped out on my initial purchase so I will be slogging it alone or via online tuition.

There is nothing to stop me from camping in my local shop over the next few weeks and sourcing out a cedar top or two in order to try and appreciate the difference in tones etc. I take it that if spruce is bright, I would be expecting something a little more mellow and rounder from a Cedar top ?

You have me curious now. Hope they don't sound better than my Faith. I'll be crying my eyes out. Lol.

I have a few chores to do today ( one of the conditions of yesterday's purchase ) so I'll nip off and get started. The quicker I get them done, the quicker I can make a few scale assault on the strings.

Cheers for now

Totsie

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carol m    64

The cedar top sound is only a subtle difference, so you will still love your spruce top - most people play spruce top and the small difference is only a personal preference that many people would not notice.

I only realised there was a difference when I upgraded my first el-cheapo ebay guitar to my first 'proper' guitar - the one I described in my earlier post of going to the store and trying them all out. I picked the one I picked mostly on sound, and I found out later it had a cedar top - I had no idea at the time, but now I have learned to hear the difference and I prefer the cedar top.

You might listen to one in the future after you get used to the sound of your Faith beauty, but only for interest sake - a good guitar always has good tone, no matter what any subtle differences they may have. Now you have your new guitar you will love it, and getting to know it is a fantastic experience - I promise!

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Totsie    5

Hi Carol,

I'm sure I will. I've just returned from a music shop as we speak and bought myself " another " beginners book, this time by Justin Sandercoe. It's been recommended on good authority so when I seen it, I grabbed it, as well as a beginners song book by the same. I've only flipped through it but it looks very well explained and illustrated and comes with some CD's.

I picked up another couple of bits and pieces .......... Could not resist the Spongebob picks !!!!! Lol.

My opportunity to trial a cedar top will come at some point, but, as you say, if the differences are just subtle, I'll no go out my way at the moment as my relatively untrained ear may not appreciate it at the moment ........... I'll take your word for it at the moment. I've still got some browny points to earn before I get to take some serious time with my new acquisition so I'll go for now.

Cheers for now

Totsie

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Totsie    5

Hi Mike,

Glad you like it. It sounds ( to my untrained ear ) every bit as good as it looks. I'm going to enjoy my first real bonding session.lol

I raced upstairs last night to be first in bed and when the missus came up, my guitar ( and case ) were under the duvet resting on the pillow. Surprisingly enough she seemed to draw the line there. Dunno why.

Cheers for now

Totsie

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Totsie    5

Hi,

its been some time since I lasted posted. As you will maybe have guessed ..... things slid a bit ..... in fact totally. Learning alone may not have been the right choice for me and I finally got around to looking at my tactics again which has involved contacting a personal tutor to help bring me on with some direction and set targets.

I am every bit as enthusiastic as i was at the beginning but maybe tempered with a bit of realism about how I need to achieve it.

Next weekend 10.30 am I begin my revitalised quest to master the guitar. :leadguitar:

here we go again.

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