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#21 OFFLINE   Sugarlander

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Posted 29 July 2009 - 06:55 PM

hb said:

I see what you're saying Sugarlander, and one thing that I am not, is a Luthier, but after adjusting the truss rod, I still had a large gap under the strings up on the neck, (measuring at the 12th fret), so what I thought would help lower the action up on the "dusty" end of the fretboard, would be to lower the saddle. I did get a full 32nd off the action up there without touching the truss rod.
Any thoughts are appreciated.
hb

You did not say if you have checked the nut action or not. Go to frets.com and read about HOW to check the nut action. It takes not tools and you can surely check it to determine if it needs to be lowered. The nut action set low is what REALLY makes an acoustice guitar play easy in the first 4 frets and helps on up the neck too.

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Posted 29 July 2009 - 09:54 PM

Sugarlander said:

You did not say if you have checked the nut action or not. Go to frets.com and read about HOW to check the nut action. It takes not tools and you can surely check it to determine if it needs to be lowered. The nut action set low is what REALLY makes an acoustice guitar play easy in the first 4 frets and helps on up the neck too.

will do!
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Posted 11 August 2009 - 12:20 AM

I'm also looking to change my plastic saddle with a bone. After removing the saddle I noticed that it has slots which resemble teeth and is also thinner on the bottom so that it can fit into a metal tray. Here is a picture of both my pickup and current saddle. Any advise on how to change it with bone? Is the tray itself needed or just the copper strip in the tray?

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#24 OFFLINE   hb

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Posted 11 August 2009 - 07:59 AM

tampayankees said:

I'm also looking to change my plastic saddle with a bone. After removing the saddle I noticed that it has slots which resemble teeth and is also thinner on the bottom so that it can fit into a metal tray. Here is a picture of both my pickup and current saddle. Any advise on how to change it with bone? Is the tray itself needed or just the copper strip in the tray?
tampayankees.....I am absolutely no pro on this, but have spent some time dealing with the same type of saddle on my Takamine. I have learned that most saddles are usually flat on the bottom and are no big deal to shave or replace. Unfortunately, your saddle, as well as mine, presents a different problem. You need the strip and tray to make the electric part of your guitar work properly.
I contacted this guy.......
Welcome to Custom Guitar Saddles - Products Information
as he was recommended on this site. He seems to be quite a pro at all this, and he said that he would not attempt to build on of these. About the best advice I had on all this was to go to the store where you bought the guitar, as they will have better feedback from the manufacture than you will, and perhaps that will provide an avenue to getting a replacement saddle of another material.
Perhaps others have a better idea....I hope so, but this was where I was led to after exhausting all ideas.
Good luck,
hb

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Posted 11 August 2009 - 10:12 AM

hb said:

tampayankees.....I am absolutely no pro on this, but have spent some time dealing with the same type of saddle on my Takamine. I have learned that most saddles are usually flat on the bottom and are no big deal to shave or replace. Unfortunately, your saddle, as well as mine, presents a different problem. You need the strip and tray to make the electric part of your guitar work properly.
I contacted this guy.......
Welcome to Custom Guitar Saddles - Products Information[/url]
as he was recommended on this site. He seems to be quite a pro at all this, and he said that he would not attempt to build on of these. About the best advice I had on all this was to go to the store where you bought the guitar, as they will have better feedback from the manufacture than you will, and perhaps that will provide an avenue to getting a replacement saddle of another material.
Perhaps others have a better idea....I hope so, but this was where I was led to after exhausting all ideas.
Good luck,
hb

Thank you hb,
I also contacted Bob through email and he told me the same thing. He said I needed the tray for it to work properly and that he couldn't duplicate this type of saddle. I'm planning on calling KMC Music, which deals with importing Takamine into the United States, to find out if there is a replacement. Maybe a compatible bone bridge from one of their higher end guitars without the split saddle?? Wish me luck!

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Posted 11 August 2009 - 12:26 PM

tampayankees said:

Thank you hb,
I also contacted Bob through email and he told me the same thing. He said I needed the tray for it to work properly and that he couldn't duplicate this type of saddle. I'm planning on calling KMC Music, which deals with importing Takamine into the United States, to find out if there is a replacement. Maybe a compatible bone bridge from one of their higher end guitars without the split saddle?? Wish me luck!
Please, if you don find something, I would love to know where you find it, as I would like to have a spare in case I ruin mine with adjustments.
thnx,
hb

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Posted 11 August 2009 - 02:25 PM

They told me that there was no replacement upgrade made for that saddle and that the more expensive models had different setups. However, they did take my address and said they would send me a replacement saddle for my Takamine with no charge. So I'm just going to try and adjust the plastic one for now. If you need to get a factory replacement, their number is (860) 509-8888 They were definitely inclined to help as much as possible.

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Posted 11 August 2009 - 03:13 PM

tampayankees said:

They told me that there was no replacement upgrade made for that saddle and that the more expensive models had different setups. However, they did take my address and said they would send me a replacement saddle for my Takamine with no charge. So I'm just going to try and adjust the plastic one for now. If you need to get a factory replacement, their number is (860) 509-8888 They were definitely inclined to help as much as possible.

Thanks!...I'll give them a call.
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Posted 27 January 2010 - 12:40 AM

hb said:

Thanks!...I'll give them a call.
hb

Be VERY carefull.... tone and volume can be affected ...A pro will /can do it for $40 - $45 guaranteed . Toys and time and misery could cost you much more !

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Posted 27 January 2010 - 05:05 AM

Get a blank bone saddle trace out the current shape using your existing saddle as a replacement. Rough out the shape using a file, use progressivly finer files and sand with a fine grit to desired finish.

Once you have the saddle cut to the same size and shape as the original slowly sand down the surface until the desired height is reached. Remember the bottom of the saddle matches the bridge and the top of the saddle should have approximatly the same curviture as the neck on the guitar. Looking at your saddle pictures it is tad fiddly but certianly doable

It is possible to stuff up the saddle but blanks are cheap and you will get it done if you are patient and methodical. Its not rocket science really.

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Posted 27 January 2010 - 07:57 AM

Bob Colosi has some great saddles and if he doesn't have yours in stock he will custom make one with yours for a pattern for about $40.00. I got a bone saddle from him for my Yamaha and it is great.
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Posted 20 December 2011 - 02:34 AM

Hey, everybody. Brand new to the site, and I'll be damned if can actually be of some help. I have a Takamine EG-240RS with the same problem. Now, I'm no luthier. But, I've got great mechanical aptitude, and a basic understanding of the physics involved. So, I've been round and round with most of the local guitar stores over this thing, because I'm determined to put something in that slot that will last longer. It's a "good news-bad news" situation. The good news is that there is a workaround to this problem, but it's only temporary. The bad news is that Graph Tech doesn't make a micro-balanced saddle that is 3 inches long.. But, whatever.
First, the workaround: Someone in this topic previously discussed shaving the top of the saddle, and this is really the key. BUT FAIR WARNING: There are multiple angles that must stay consistent, and of course, they are not straight bevels. You must also keep the curve in the top of the saddle to maintain string geometry. If you do this yourself, be prepared to spend hours. I recommend taking pictures before you start, and working very slowly so you don't overdo it. HERE'S THE WORKAROUND. The saddle sits inside a metal tray, which contains the piezo pickup (hence the reason for not shaving the bottom). Underneath that is a thin metallic grounding strip which sits loosely in the slot and acts like shielding tape to reduce feedback. As long as you make sure that this strip stays directly underneath the pickup, you can place a shim underneath to compensate for the height taken off the saddle.
Should all else fail, I found and eBay link out of the UK of all places, where they sell hand made copies of these saddles. I've never done any business with them, so be aware that you do so at your own risk. But, here's the link: http://www.ebay.ie/i...#ht_1705wt_1272
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Posted 20 December 2011 - 09:09 AM

Hb,

The subject here has been pretty well covered. I would only say that if you choose to do yourself make sure the bottom of the saddle is perfectly flat and seated properly.

Mike





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