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Making Noise


V/1

Sunday morning , there we are
Laying in each others arms
I kiss your soft silky face
Its Sunday no need to race

V/2
Sleeping in till about noon
Cuddles , and kisses in mid June
Holding you close to me
Your beautiful , every man can see

CHORUS
I know I am in love when
you put your hands on my shoulders
I put my hands upon your waist
I feel your soft tender lips
Kissing my scruffy , stubble face

V/3
The warmness of your body
Warms my soul , keeps me alive
Running my fingers through your hair
For loving you is all I care

V/4
Loud neighbours making noise
Going places mowing lawns
Let me gently close the widow
We'll make some noise of our own

CHORUS
I know I am in love when
you put your hands on my shoulders
I put my hands upon your waist
I feel your soft tender lips
Kissing my scruffy , stubble face


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I love you
I honestly deeply love you

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Hi hilch,

I think you have a great start to a beautiful song. I completely understand the sentiment in your lyric. I hope you don't mind me taking the first verse and giving it the once over. I'm in training, as it were, to be a singer/song writer so please don't take any offense at my comments. In order for me to be a better song writer, I have to understand how a song is put together, what works and what doesn't work. So here I go!

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The first thing that strikes me is the title/hook. "Making Noise" is not to be found until Verse 4. The title/hook should not only give the listener a synopsis of the impending song but should also be part and parcel of the chorus. In reading the lyric, the title/hook, Making Noise, is really not relevant to the lyric and is incidental. The lyric is about how you feel Sunday mornings with your partner in your arms. I would suggest changing the title to something that reflects that image as well as include it in your chorus. On the other hand, you could take the last line of the chorus, "Kisses my scruffy, stubble face" and title the song, "Scruffy Kisses" which is much more interesting than "Making Noise" plus gives the listener a venue in which to imagine.

In a commercial sense, the title/hook, should be reached within 30-40 seconds into the song/lyric. Listeners expect it. And are waiting for it!

The lyric also include two opposing time frames. 1) being Sunday, which is part of the essence of the lyric and 2)June, which I'm not sure why that would be important in this case other that to make a rhyme. The song is about the first few moments of "Sunday" morning and while June adds a pleasant bit of scenery, it encompasses an entire month and puts things in a different perspective. It takes away from the intimacy of the Sunday morning cuddles.

Verse 1)
The "there we are" is really an open ended statement that could mean a large number of things. .... there we are in love, there we are in Florida, there we are as in "see I told you" ....etc.etc...

We need to grab the listeners attention within the first or second lines, at least the first verse. If not, the listener is history and assumes the song/lyric is of no interest to them.

Of course, the second line, "laying in each others arms" sorta, kinda clarifies things a bit. However the previous, "there we are" leaves things unanswered. I would perhaps write this as:

Sunday morning in your arms
rising to your lovely charms

Now we've put the proverbial, 'who, what, when and where' right smack into the listeners face!

Who: the singer and his/her partner
What: awaking to the partners charms
When: Sunday morning
Where: in your partners arms

We just covered the bases!

In V1, we are overwhelmed by the "ess" factor.
Sunday, others, arms, kiss, soft, silky, face, it's, race ....

We should probably exchange some words here to help the singer out. We writers should always look out for our singers.

I kiss your soft silky face
The "soft silky" no doubt says exactly what you want it to say but it's the "eff" sound immediately followed by the "ess" sound that makes this a hard line to sing.

It's Sunday, no need to race.

We've already established it's Sunday, so no need to bring it up again. The "no need to race" explains a relaxed moment but really doesn't fit the demeanor of the lyric. Sounds almost like a Nascar thing to me. (being's it Sunday ) Let's put the "relaxation" and "having time" to work for us.

I may have written the first verse like this ...

Sunday morning in your arms
Rising to your lovely charms
Let me take all the time I need
To caress your charming cheeks

and here's how I hear the first verse of this .... ( about 40 seconds worth.. sorry for the family room recording)

http://www.croakingfrogmusic.com/mp3/hilches_song.mp3
Anyway, that's my shot at the lyric. Hope you don't mind. And hope it helps in your lyrics writing.

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What can I say

I wanted to write a love song for my wife for our anavirsary in November this year , something I have never done before and being only a beginner on the guitar really wanted to play it for her ...

I am always being told I am not romantic and thought this would be nice for her as we will celebrate 23 years of married bliss then .So I guess it's back to the drawing board for me ..

What you did with this is totally amazing I love it .. Just wish I could write , play and sing like that , I am in awe right now ......

Wow your talented mate , I don't thiink the computor will let put as many as it deserves .

WOW ....Thanks for tips

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What can I say

I wanted to write a love song for my wife for our anavirsary in November this year , something I have never done before and being only a beginner on the guitar really wanted to play it for her ...
...and you've got an excellent start! Don't think about being a beginner. Think about how to take what you have written and transform it into the song of sincere appreciation and love you have for your partner. I think 23 years of love and relationship require nothing less than the utmost care in choosing exactly the right words and melodies.

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I am always being told I am not romantic and thought this would be nice for her as we will celebrate 23 years of married bliss then .So I guess it's back to the drawing board for me ..
haha, No doubt! Yet another card carrying member of the INR club! Welcome aboard.

And no it's not back to the drawing board. Writing a lyric is a process. It's rare that a lyric is written in just one sitting. And those writers that do write a completed lyric at one sitting are those that have been writing lyrics for years and years and years.

What you've done so far is lay the foundation to a new song. The trick is to now massage that foundation into a home you can live in. And that is the re-write process.

Obviously you want to convey to your partner so many things that you love about her. But we have a limited amount time, i.e. 3 - 4 minutes. So you need to carefully hand pick exactly the words that not only tell her that but at the same time put those words in a frame of music to accentuate those words.

Writing a lyric is like hand crafting a fine piece of furniture. You pick exactly the right piece of lumber with the right grain and color. Then you mold that piece of wood into an object. And then by using finer and finer cut sandpaper, you work the wood to a wonderful smoothness, which is then ready to have stain or coloring layered on. It's painstaking work and requires patience. And thats why a good lyricist is called a "word crafter".

So don't feel like you have to start over. Take what you've started and build upon it!

Les

(and not that I'm an expert nor anything close to being one, but if you have any questions, don't hesitate to post or PM me. i'd be glad to try and answer them or point you to someone who may may have an answer)



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Hi, just wanted to say I would be thrilled for my husband to write me a song like this. Hilch, you may decide to change some things but it is a wonderful start!

Les, your suggestions sound great. Here are a few inexperienced opinions on your changes though.

Would "Waking to your lovely charms" sound more like staying in bed, than "rising"?

And just me personally, I like the phrase "silky face" better than "charming cheeks". I don't know, silky face sounds llike a nicer compliment. Maybe just take the "soft" out of "soft silky face" to help with the singing.

Whatever you decide, I'm sure it will be great, Hilch.

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oh thank you Marai ,

it's nice to get a female point of view ...

I'll work on this Les and maybe it will be ready by November

Thak you both for feed back

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Excellent catch, Marai!

and anywhere near Lex? Wildcats?

Very cool to see a fellow Kentuckian on the board!

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ok first off i think she would love it if it only said "i love you" just because it is something from the heart, secondly i would be stuck btween agreeing with this

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And just me personally, I like the phrase "silky face" better than "charming cheeks". I don't know, silky face sounds llike a nicer compliment. Maybe just take the "soft" out of "soft silky face" to help with the singing.
and with this

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The "soft silky" no doubt says exactly what you want it to say but it's the "eff" sound immediately followed by the "ess" sound that makes this a hard line to sing.
as Marai said the "soft silky face" seems to be a better compliment it shows that you are seeing her whole face. The "charming cheeks" strikes me as something you would say about a newborn with a ....plump face (sorry not real good at terming things please don't take offense)

But, as LC sait the "ft" and "ce" sounds would be a bit of a tounge twister maybe "silky sweet face" or "sweet silky face" which ever sounds better.

I don't mean to preach. It's just that occaisionally i catch my self writing poetry and reading tons of it and these are just some things that i would have done differently. Keep in mind that this is YOUR song and no matter if you change it or not she will love it any way.

i wrote my wife a poem while i was in Basic Training the went something like this (keep in mind it was 2AM when i wrote this. this is mainly to prove it isn't how you say it in songs and poetry it is what you say when you say it) :

Most men give flowers to show their love to the lady in their life.
I have always questioned why. When you think about it there are 2 kinds of flowers.
There are the fresh flowers that mean say symoblize their love. These flowers whither and die soon enough.... Love should not. There are also silk flowers that men will give and say they will symbolize the way they will view the lady, vibrant and beautiful forever. I will not give these to you. These are fake and my love is true. What can i give you to symbolize how I feel for you? I can give you my heart, soul and spirit in every way i know. I give to you freely every thing i have in my being. Just keep in mind i love you so.

and she was VERY VERY loving after she read it ok hope i helped a bit

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"The "charming cheeks" strikes me as something you would say about a newborn "

Or a chipmunk

No matter how good Les's advice is, you have to stick to your own words for an anniversary gift. I'll have to say that I had a similar thought about the title. First thing I did was scan through the song to see how the title fit. Didn't strike me as romantic either.

Maybe Les could help you with the chords and basic melody, then you could practice and get it recorded before Nov. Although I'd have to say if I recorded a song for my wife I don't think I could wait months before springing it on her.

I've written my wife a couple poems for b'day and Valentines. On the last V'day she insisted on a CD of me singing , and I'm not a singer by any stretch of the imagination. So I picked about 6 tunes, put on headphones, sang along with the songs while recording my voice by itself. It took a few trys and a little cut and paste in audacity, but I finally ended up with something presentable, put it on a cd, and she loved it. Although I cringe at some of the off key phrases

I'd like nothing more than to write her a song and record it with my guitar. Keep us appraised of your progress as it goes along Hilch. We don't want to wait for Nov!!!

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" No matter how good Les's advice is, you have to stick to your own words for an anniversary gift." ......... was it said otherwise?

Please do not think I am imposing my words on anyone. There are merely suggestions of a whole slew of alternative words .......

My fervent hope was to critique in such a manner that was positive, shedding some light, good or bad and perhaps helping in some small fashion. Therefore, I critique and I expect no less when I post a lyric for others to critique.

I'm sure that hilch can and will write his own lyric in any fashion he feels is appropriate. My thoughts are to not be afraid to use words that would add to the experience. To not be afraid to open up and find the words that truly send the message you want to send.

And you have to work to find them.

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Sorry Les, I didn't mean to offend you. I was solely thinking about the intimacy of writing a song for his wife. Even if you were John Lennon responding I would have had the same thought. Well... withstanding the miraculous nature of such a thing if it did happen.

I understand that your criticism was constructive, and you were advising him on the mechanics of songwriting. Which is something I sure couldn't do. When I wrote my response I wasn't considering that it could easily be perceived as diminishing the value of your input. Sorry about that.

In fact, I listened to your rendition and was inspired by easily you could make up a song to go with his words. There are quite a few of you guys on here that are quite accomplished muscians and the songs you post humble a beginner like me to the point where I think I could never come close to playing like that. It's nice to see you post a simple melody that sounds so good. It actually makes me think I might be able to write a song.

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How about this week end I record what I have ( keep in mind I'm no singer or guitar player ) and post it ?

I really do appreciate everyones opinion and feed back ...

One never knows the lyrics may even sound alright coming out of this ol fellows voice box ..

The title was a bit of tongue in cheek , I though it would have been to easy to call it something from the chorus ..The other title I had in mind was Sunday morning , what I wrote is mostly about 2 things ..

1 Sunday morning and the mood in the rooom

2 My feelings for this lady

I didn't know the title had to be romantic , after all I am not going sing it as a title ..

Guitar playing and I say here is a song I wrote for you it's called ............

I was just going to wake up early prepare my self with a few warm up exercises on the guitar and sit at the end of the bed and start playing it for her as she woke ...

Maybe I am well off the mark ... might have to consult some more ladies to find out if that would be romantic ..( now I am a card carring member of the INR club )

Anyway Thanks everyone I didn't mean this to cause any friction between other members , I really appreciate everyones comments ..

Stay friendly and nice to each other

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No friction and certanly no offense taken.

I just wanted to be sure things weren't taken out of context and that I wasn't forcing myself and my way with words on to someone else.

Thanks for understanding. Write in color.



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Hi Les,

I just wanted to say I think you've done a great job on that critique! I might have to post some of my early attempts at song lyrics to get your opinion.

Anyhoo, I learnt a bit from reading your critique of Hilch's song (and I know Hilch will have got a lot from it too). Afterall, they say you learn songwriting by critiquing others'.

Keep it up.

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I learnt a bit from reading your critique of Hilch's song (and I know Hilch will have got a lot from it too). Afterall, they say you learn songwriting by critiquing others'.
Oh Bennett you know me too well

And you are so right I am learning so much about song writting

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