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Old March 15th, 2007
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Words

Sitting here with pen in hand
trying to write a song again
sometimes its easy other times it's not
but I always give it what I got

It's not as simple as you might think
I look at it as swim or sink
It's quite a feeling when it comes out right
It's like my words are strong with might

Some of the lines I must confide
are buried secrets I can no longer hide
So on these pages are a part of me
from deep inside that my hands set free

and whether or not it's a poem or a song
Just getting it out can't be wrong



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Well you make a good point about being a poem or a song ..

Whats the difference ? Well to me and I aint no poet or song writter , to me it reads more like a song .

I was singing this as a slow acustic ballard .In my husky out of tune voice

Some of the lines I must confide
Buried secrets I can't hide
These pages are a part of me
Deep inside my heart sets free

This is how I sang that verse , it just seemed to flow from the mouth a little better , thats' just my opinion ..

I hope this has been helpful , and the only way to improve song writting is to write they say ...

Cheers

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Songs and poems are all about pace or rhythm and a lot of songs started off as poems. In MVHO I believe that all poems are songs just sung as a much slower rhythm.

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but I always give it what I got
May be better as;

but I always give it what I've got

maybe it's just me?

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Hey hilch,Sabretalon...Thanks' both of your suggestions are very good, I've never tried to actually sing it{scares my cat when I attempt to}. And "I've" would be the proper way to put it, thanks.

knight46.. I kinda think that way too....Thanks for the imput

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I only record my voice now when the neighbours are out ...

Maybe a chorus along the lines of :

Words are cheap
Words are deep
Love is a chore
Its' you I adore

Just to break the flow up a bit ...

Once again just my opinion

Trev...

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Go ahead Hilch, take a full run at it, would be glad to see anothers take on it, One way for me to learn more is to see how other's change it up...goes for anyone wanting to offer their changes as well. Appreciate the insight/hindsight, really do!!!

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"I look at it as swim or sink"
That line just doesn't sit right with me. It's just.. I'm so used to seeing and hearing sink or swim, that swim or sink just doesn't sound right.

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"I look at it as swim or sink"
That line just doesn't sit right with me. It's just.. I'm so used to seeing and hearing sink or swim, that swim or sink just doesn't sound right.
I agree... was lost on that till just now how about..

it's not as easy as you might think
trying to iron out that kink ????

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Hi There, 4stringdrive - guessing you're a bass player at heart?

What you've got here is a good idea for a song that isn't fully realised - some good lines and it flows well, but other lines seem a little forced - "strong with might" for example. You'd never, ever use that phrase in everyday conversation would you?

The first couple of lines are scene steers - OK, we can see you're sitting down, pen in hand, trying to get words on paper that make some sense. So the next couple of lines should expand on that....

"Sometimes those words flow, sometimes not,
But I always give them everything I've got...."

Now that's getting the point across that songwriting can be frustrating, no matter how much you put into it, sometimes you just can't articulate your feelings....

Looking at the next verse....

"It's not as simple as you might think
I look at it as swim or sink
It's quite a feeling when it comes out right
It's like my words are strong with might"

I don't like the "Swim or Sink" line - but a much more obvious flaw to me (remember, this is only MY opinion....) is the fact you're changng the point of view without explanation....the first verse, you're talking to yourself - the second, you're adressing an audience....better if you kept the point-of-view the same.

"It's never easy to turn emotions into song,
More often than not it turns out wrong
But now and then when I get it right,
The page lights up like a neon light..."

Again, it's telling the audience it isn't easy to write a deep and meaningful lyric - but there's hope there too, you CAN get it right sometimes - and when you do, the words just jump off the page and hit you in the cerebral cortex.....

"Some of the lines I must confide
are buried secrets I can no longer hide
So on these pages are a part of me
from deep inside that my hands set free"

I like this verse - you're telling us that in every song you write, there's something in it you've gone through - only minor quibble I have, "my hands set free" - why your hands? it's your mind that the emotions are coming from - your brain that's turnng the emotions into words.

The ending's OK - it's telling the listener that you've GOT to write music, you've GOT to express yourself through your lyrics.....

but maybe something like....

"And whether or not it'll ever be read,
I feel better for getting it out of my head..."

kind of reinforces the point you're trying to get across, you HAVE to write, you have to get those emotions, feelings, thoughts, whatever - you have to get them in a song!

Good luck with the writing - I'll be interested to see more - like I said, I think you've got a good basic idea for a song here, you just need to explore the possibilities more thoroughly.....



Vic

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Hi back at you Vic Lewis,
Wow...Thats all I can say is Wow!!! How you took that and transposed it into what I wish I would have done in the beginning, Is just beyond me. I really appreciate your advise along with your knowledge as a whole. You've opened another chapter in writing for me, that was so articulate, the way you brought the meaning out and on to paper, with-out changing anything other than the point of view of it. I am totally impressed and very Thankful of the eye-opening you have presented me...Wow

Bass is going on the back burner for the time being, more into learning the Guitar and the workings of music. Music is what's in my heart, just need to commit more to it, time to quit thinking I can play and actually begin to learn how.


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