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Songwriting....HELP!

I seem to either start a song and realise it has already been written or I'll play something on my guitar and it will sound like a song already released...is this the sign of a bad writer or someone who should just give up the songwriting business?

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I just made up my first one a while ago and just posted it a couple of days agoand I'm sure there's probably something in it that reminds somebody of something else.It's hard to come up with something totally original because if you're seriously into music,you'll have heard a ton of songs and it's easy to be influenced by any of them.Just keep trying and try different things with those ideas.You ever notice how many songs are out there that sound sort of like another song?
here's a you tube vid you should watch about his same subject.It was posted by another member here a while ago.: http://youtube.com/watch?v=JdxkVQy7QLM

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That was great!! It was weird that it sounded like basket case really!! He is fabulous!


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I seem to either start a song and realise it has already been written or I'll play something on my guitar and it will sound like a song already released...is this the sign of a bad writer or someone who should just give up the songwriting business?
I'd reckon that it would be very unusual for a new songwriter to come up with something that was completely fresh on their first attempts.

I remember reading a quote somewhere (can't remember by who) saying something like "I've done loads of good and original work. The only trouble is that the stuff that's good isn't original, and the stuff that's original isn't good...."

Accidental plagiarism is the bane of any writer's life - songs or words. Everybody fears unconsciously dredging up something from their memory and re-using it.

According to a story I read, Andrew Lloyd Webber had just written a song that would go on to become one of his biggest hits and was polishing it up and going through the process of making sure he hadn't copied something. He apparently asked his Dad "Does this sound like anything??" To which Dad replied "Yes - sound like about a million bucks to me...." . (although he probably said "quid" not bucks..).

I'd just keep writing and enjoying yourself. If you're happy with the result you can add some more 'originality' in the arrangement later. Your songs will get more 'you' as you progress and "find your voice" as they say. Find your feet first - work on the fancy moves later....

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I remember reading a quote somewhere (can't remember by who) saying something like "I've done loads of good and original work. The only trouble is that the stuff that's good isn't original, and the stuff that's original isn't good...."

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Yes, it's always difficult to come up with something new - that youtube link to Pachelbel's canon is a prime example. That chord progression is so old, you'd think no-one would use it any more - but it still keeps cropping up!

One song he doesn't mention, that uses the same chords, is Streets Of London - the old Ralph McTell hit.

It's a good idea, when started to write, to stick to subjects you know well - the obvious one is YOU! The way you feel, the way you felt, the way someone made you feel - then expand on that. Why did you feel that way?

I usually start with a phrase that sounds good - might be something I've heard or read. that'll probably be the hook - then I'll write around that. A dictionary's a useful tool, a Thesaurus even better - gives you lists of related words.

But the main thing is, it's got to mean something to you - and therefore your audience. They have to think, "Yes, that rings a bell, that happened to me...." that's where good songs come from. from the heart, from experience, from life.

And songwriting, like playing guitar, is something you can practise. Open a book at any page - find a phrase or a line that appeals to you. Then try and write a song about it. Most of the time, you'll come up empty - but you may come up with a line or lines that you like and might want to keep for a future song. Carry a small notepad and pencil down - write down ideas that you might have. Nothing worse than having a killer line in your head and losing it because you were distracted!

Songwriting's like any other musical discipline - it has to be practised and honed. Work at it, and in time you'll see the benefits!



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Just expanding on what Vic has mentioned

I use this site its a lot quicker than a book

http://www.rhymezone.com/

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