[don't_fret_it]

i just became a member to this site. lot of good reading. i was taught the high octave scales but do not know how to apply them to anything. i practice them every time i pick up my guitar to get my fingers limber. could someone give me more incite on the high & low octave scales. thank you.

[allthumbs]

Originally Posted by don't_fret_it

i just became a member to this site. lot of good reading. i was taught the high octave scales but do not know how to apply them to anything. i practice them every time i pick up my guitar to get my fingers limber. could someone give me more incite on the high & low octave scales. thank you.

We have some members who are very fluent in the use of scales so be patient and one or two will find this post. I play through chords and use bits of the chromatic scale and others that flow out of the chords I am playing so I am afraid I can't help you.

[guttertrashsingalong]

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Scales are important for a few different reasons

1. They build strength and independence in your fingers.
2. Playing scales helps to train your ears to recognize some common note combinations.
3. They can be used as note choices in both improvisation and writing of music.check this site out also http://www.blackbeltguitar.com/Scale...om=&ucat=6200&

[sergio serna]

i am with u on that one,need to know how to apply them so i feel i'm learning more everytime

[guttertrashsingalong]

Learnng them isnt hard,just takes practice!But dont just memorize them,explore the notes,dont depend on the scale itself.some great solos come out of them ,but ya have to explore! teaches ya to stay in key.look at the notes your playng learn what keys your in, run together some of them to get fretboard friendly!mix notes up,warm up,helps ya get down the tighter area of fretboard!but learn them and learn chords also power chords whats behind the chords,theory!then mx it up!

[Kirk Lorange]

Originally Posted by sergio serna

i am with u on that one,need to know how to apply them so i feel i'm learning more everytime

Hi, sergio. If it's any consolation, I also learned all scales and modes years and years ago when I started playing. I never could figure out how to apply them either, nor could anyone actually teach me. All I ever heard, and still hear, is 'use this or that scale' without any other instructions.

If it's to be able to play along melodically to pieces of music, or to improvise and invent guitar parts, then remember that good strong melody loves using notes that are in the chords of the piece you're playing to ... each chord, one at a time. If that's what you're interested in doing, then I would put those scale patterns on the back burner for a while and put your time into learning how to use chord tones to build up your parts.

You do wind up using those scale, but always in context, without ever really thinking about them, and all the while you're creating melody rather than playing scales. Also, and this is a big point, this mindset allows you to play along to any piece of music, no matter how complex and 'out-of-key' it may be.

That's my advice anyway.

[guttertrashsingalong]

I think ts all about what type of music ya looking to play what scales/modes can be used for.To be being a metal player playing 210 bpm scales are usefull.Look at the intro to sweet child of mine(mixolydian) or look at alot of slayers work with the phrygian and even alot eddie van halens or even zakk wyldes work.........Lots of scales was explored there.Why?I think when your playng that fast you need simplicty.Whats more simple than a set of different notes being sweeped or picked out fast.Whats the difference between scales and modes?Nothing!Modes is that they're just playing the scale, but starting on a note other then scale degree one.What are they good for?Its not about any kind of instruction they just help build up some tools you might need down the road pcking fast clean while moving up nd down the fret.Yea ya can explore them out and come up with your own solos or whatever.But they give you ways of picking fast and clean while staying in key down the fret..................To me its not about instructon its about another tool to help you pick and understand the fret.You can explore them in music just as you explore chords to create.Thats your choice.Are they needed or useful?For me they def helped with my speed,picking single notes clean etc.Just like some fingerstyles have there own way of doing it.The best way i think to understand what scales can do for you is by learnng them and explorng them.If they dont aid you then hey all ya did was learn somethng new.There are prob many many other ways to learn the same points that i have made out.But for me and my style of music they helped me alot where i couldnt fit a chord in and still maintain my bpm.This is one of those things that some enjoy and some hate.The best way is to decide yourself.And i agree with kirk that a good strong melody loves using notes that are in chords.For me speed is the thing!hence the power chord.I cant argue with someone like kirk who is a amazing guitarist!BUt maybe scale work just didnt fit into his style of playing as me being more into thrash and speed and metal of that sorts they def come in handy esp with the soloing.

[guttertrashsingalong]

Also i tend to look at it as more of a finger exercise that i can create out of it i want to!And when i say staying in key i meant it gives to the option to stay in key with single notes as you pick up and down the strings.

[Kirk Lorange]

I agree gtsa........, scales are all that matters if you're into metal, thrash, etc. Just learn them and play them as fast as you can. Speed is irrelvant to me, I don't care how fast or slow a good melody is and I find it difficult listening to really fast scales ... I can only take about 30 seconds or so.

It's all a matter of taste.

[coldethyl]

Originally Posted by guttertrashsingalong

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Scales are important for a few different reasons

1. They build strength and independence in your fingers.
2. Playing scales helps to train your ears to recognize some common note combinations.
3. They can be used as note choices in both improvisation and writing of music.check this site out also http://www.blackbeltguitar.com/Scales.php?subaction=showfull&id=1074059111&archiv e=&start_from=&ucat=6200&

Thanks for sharing GTSA! I checked it out and it's very informative on all the scale modes etc.

[guttertrashsingalong]

Kirk i didnt mean that speed was all that matters.To me its all about being creative with the tools you have at hand to play whatever it is your playing.You learn chords and when you build up a good libary of chords you get creative with them.I was wrong in saying its all about speed.Its more about creativity whan you dont have the option of going from chord to chord.When i read what people keep tellng you or you hearing is 'use this or that scale' without any other instructions.I wsh they would say hey maybe taking somethng from so and so scale and being creative with the notes in it and putting it inbetween so and so chords might add a kick to it.By no means was i trying to offend ya with my comment.And i hope these askng questions understand that its about being creative.And that scales are a tool to help you get creative.

[coldethyl]

Personally, I'm a big advocate of the Kirk's Plane Talk method and I find it quite useful in creating and expressing myself when soloing. But having said that, I also find improvising over scales useful also, especially when playing to Eric Clapton when he was with Cream. The blues scale (so simplistic in it's way) I find is great to play around with. I'm not particularly keen on the pentatonic scale though and find that I rarely use it.

But whether it be chord tones or scales, I believe if it moves me then I'll utilise it. If it doesn't, then I leave it out! Whatever works for any given application!

[guttertrashsingalong]

Originally Posted by coldethyl

Personally, I'm a big advocate of the Kirk's Plane Talk method and I find it quite useful in creating and expressing myself when soloing. But having said that, I also find improvising over scales useful also, especially when playing to Eric Clapton when he was with Cream. The blues scale (so simplistic in it's way) I find is great to play around with. I'm not particularly keen on the pentatonic scale though and find that I rarely use it.

But whether it be chord tones or scales, I believe if it moves me then I'll utilise it. If it doesn't, then I leave it out! Whatever works for any given application!

I totally agree!

[scotty_b]

Just out of curiosity, what are high octave scales?
I can't say it is a term I have ever come across before.

[allthumbs]

Originally Posted by scotty_b

Just out of curiosity, what are high octave scales?
I can't say it is a term I have ever come across before.

I was wondering that myself.