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Teaching Kids who have never played

My son, who is 6 now and his friends have started trying to play guitar. I've given them one of my old Squires to play around with and one of the other kids has some other cheap knockoff.

Lessons now with an instructor would probably be a waste of money at this time, but I wanted to give them some things they could do on the guitar to allow them to stay interested and want to learn more.

I've played off and on for many years, so know the basics pretty well and can play anything that is not too complex.

So... what I'm wondering is if anyone has any good leads or advice on what I can show these kids that would allow them to have some early successes and play a few things that people might actually recognize. I doubt that any of them could hold an open cord yet, or play more than two notes at a time.

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Zardog,
I would look at some of Kirk's lessons, some are geared to beginners and would be good songs to start off on.

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...I doubt that any of them could hold an open cord yet, or play more than two notes at a time....
Sounds like they're starting off pretty much the same place as all of us did, then.

I'm far from being a good enough guitar player to be an instructor, but here's my .02 worth anyways - if you mean they "can't hold an open chord" as in they don't have the finger strength to do it, maybe it would be good to start off by teaching them some simple one-string melodies, and working on learning the notes of the fretboard (something that will definitely come in handy later on!). If you mean they just don't know any open chords yet, it would be a good time to start learning them......with a few simple open chords (like A, D, E) they could play a lot of songs.


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zardog,
I am not a teacher in anyway, but can share this with you. I think all of us have the desire to play something right away with any instrument we approach. We find out quickly that it isn't as easy as it looks. Some, stop and say well this ain't for me, and others go on.
When I was 8 years old, I got my first accordion and started playing tunes by ear. With that my parents sent me off to classes and immediatly I got the shock of my life. Having to play what I didn't want to play. I thought that the teacher and I would be jamming Instead, he listen to what I knew, said "well that very good"
then pulled out the sheet music, and it was bootcamp from there on. Of course, his goal was to teach me the basics and understanding of music. Back then it was well they don't have enough symbols here anyway.
I have to say I wish I had paid more attention though. Checkout Peo Kindgren on You Tube. He is playing tunes to sheet music. Something I would be doing had I paid the price back then.
Find tunes that the child likes, maybe 2 and 3 chord songs. That will keep their interests up. Then an understanding to what is going on in the tune will be helpful.
There are many who can play real well without the above, but consider them gifted.
But here I am now at GFB&B to catch up to all I have been missing through out my guitar playing life.
We all had to start somewhere, some just got there quicker than others, on their own, by friends, sites, and lessons.
With the information here, many will go as far as there heart and mind desire.
Above all, keep it fun at their pace. Learning the sheet music method is only one phase and maybe not as important. But understand the roadmap of the fretboard is a must.
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Yeah, I can remember the first time I thought I figured out "Smoke on the Water" using the bottom E and played that riff for ever... That is the kind of thing I'm thinking about.

At 6 it is just not possible to hold an open cord with such small hands, but I'm trying to show them some simple things, maybe just root notes for now on a few songs they like to get the rhythm and such down.

I wanted to see if anyone else has been through the same situation and what they did. I figure root notes are about the best I'm going to get out of them as at this stage it is just a way to get some early success.

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+1 to everything that Eddiez said.

I suspect that most people just hang on and pray. Kids’ attention spans and depth of interest are notoriously fickle and unpredictable.

The bottom line is that a guitar is not a toy and that it does take discipline (and a lot of it ) if you ever want to get any good. You can use self discipline, or discipline imposed from without, but there’s no way around putting in the hours. Some kids need to be given 100% guidance and structure. They need it laid out and then supported, or even to some degree imposed. Others can’t hack that and will be much more self willed about it all. So there’s no “one size fits all”.

In theory, you can point them towards a nicely laid out path that’s strewn with songs and riffs that they love, and it will build slowly upwards. But in theory you could take 22 cats, split them into 2 teams and teach them how to play soccer. In theory.

The huge problem with the “Give them songs they love” idea is that it’s very hard to find things that fit the bill, and in the right order to fit their slowly growing skills. Apart from the fact that their tastes can change faster than your ability to deconstruct the latest music, there don't seem to be all that many candidates for songs that can sound even remotely right when played by a kid on one string. The Smoke on the Water riff retains its huge popularity among beginners because it is one of the very few that buck the trend, and can actually be made roughly recognisable, reasonably quickly.

Pop songs are played by a group of several professionals using thousands of dollar worth of gear, plus the enormous contribution made by a studio producer and mixer. Most simply cannot be boiled down to a small handful of single notes and still retain the feel of the original – unless you have a dazzlingly good right hand, and a kid won’t. It's something of a downer when you find out that the stuff you can do sounds nothing like the original. Getting over that and moving on with the task of learning is an important part of the journey. The carnage and drop out rate at this point is horrendous!

Many tunes have survived because they are simple to sing and play, and they actually can be carried off by a single voice or instrument. You’ll still find them in many teach yourself books, laid out in order so that you can learn a few notes on one string, then add some on the next string etc. But they’re not exactly rock and roll. They’re mostly old fashioned tunes and even nursery rhymes. Not cool enough? Life’s tough kids…..

When I started out, the only way I could keep my interest up was by improvising. As soon as I could fret 3 notes I started mixing them up to see what happened. I found learning other people’s songs boring (I still do, to some extent). So why not try showing them the C major scale on one string and see what they can do with it? “Just hit any of these notes kids, and miss the others for now…”. You can also do a lot with chords on the 3 highest strings too – the E, B and G strings. Like so:

Put one finger on the high E string, fret 3. Strum the 3 thin strings – it’s a simple version of a G chord (They can strum the 4 thinnest if they like, it's still a G, but sticking to 3 strings is probably good at the start). Then try putting one finger on the first fret of the 2nd (B) string. Strum the 3 thin strings – all 3 notes of a C chord. Strum all 3 open – an E minor. G, C, Em – more than enough for a song!

"Go for it kids! I’ll be back tomorrow with a bar of chocolate for anybody who came up with a little song…."

Good luck!

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