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Barre Chords for Beginners and Beyond

Barre Chords for Beginners and Beyond

It's time to create a lesson-thread where all folks of experience can help our brothers and sisters who are new to learn and play and use barre chords. Such a dirty word at times and hard work for those who are starting out. But fear not! We're glad to help. Here ya go.

What are Barre Chords?

They are chord formations that can move up and down the fretboard. Stop here and open this lesson to check out the basics of them.

Keep that lesson open so we can take advantage of the great graphics that Kirk has on his lessons. Notice the first graphic you see: The E chord form moving up the neck two frets. This is what it's all about. At this point, we're only going to concentrate on two forms: The E major and the A major forms. The variations follow these easily but we need to get a grip on the basic principles first. We need visual anchors.

Let's use the fretboard map for both anchors. Keep this fretboard page open for reference, but for simplicity sake I'll repeat the E and A strings here.

0........1...........2..........3..........4..........5..........6..........7...........8...........9..........10.........11........12.........13........14.........

A ||-A#/Bb-|---B---|---C---|-C#/Db-|---D---|-D#/Eb-|---E---|---F---|-F#/Gb-|---G---|-G#/Ab-|---A---|-A#/Bb-|---B---|--

E ||---F----|F#/Gb-|---G---|-G#/Ab-|---A---|-A#/Bb-|---B---|---C---|-C#/Db-|---D---|-D#/Eb-|---E---|---F----|-F#/Gb|--

If this doesn't translate well for you in your monitor, just refer to the E and A strings on the fretboard map page.

The E form Barre

Starting with the top string or the low E, the open string is of course an E note. This is the bass note of the open E chord and the visual anchor for the E form barre chord. When you first learn to play the open E chord, you usually learn it by using the index, middle and ring fingers and it looks like this:


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Now play the same chord using the middle, ring and pinky fingers.


022100

What happens if you slide this formation up one fret and barre your index finger across all of the strings? Well, what's the first fretted note of the E string? An F of course, so it's the F major chord. And so on up the neck.


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Now open up the E Form Major page and check out how the rest of the E form barre chords work up the fingerboard.

The A form Barre

Starting with the next string, the A is of course an A note. This is the bass note of the open A chord and the visual anchor for the A form barre chord. When you first learn to play the open A chord, you often learn it by using the index, middle and ring fingers.


x02220

This isn't always so, but go with me on this one for now.

Now play the same chord using the middle, ring and pinky fingers.


x02220

What happens if you slide this formation up one fret and barre your index finger across all of the strings to the A string? Well, what's the first fretted note of the A string? A Bb of course. So it's a Bb chord. And so on up the neck.


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Now open up the A Form Major page and check out how the rest of the A form barre chords work up the fingerboard.

Ok, ok, there are variances on how the A and the A form barre chords are formed. Notice in the variations on the A form barre pictures below that I'm really only reaching over to the fret the A string and not barreing the rest. Work smarter, not harder! Sometimes your fingers just can't do any of these things. Here's another variation on the open A, and this is often used when playing electric.



And here's a couple of those variations on the A form barre.



"A form barre 2" comes in handy when you want to learn that rock and roll move.



To Sum it Up, Let's Talk...

Take a look at the photos...notice that I'm only barreing the strings that aren't covered by the other fingers. Take the E form barre for example, for a G chord: 355433. I only need to barre the 3's!! The middle, ring and pinky fingers are taking care of frets 5 and 4! This could make a difference in how you approach the form. For my hand specifically: as I barre across with the index finger, I go across as far as I can (see the third pic) so the B and bottom E strings are near the crease of the finger and hand. That way, I use the fleshy part of the finger to barre those strings. This leaves the fleshy part of finger near the tip to barre the top E.

Be sure to check out all the links under Chords and check out the chord pictorials and chord finders here at this site.

There's much to talk about as far as playing barre chords. One area you can work with is discovering that it's ok to play partial barre chords. There are many players who can't play full barre chords, and so they stick with partials. No problem. Often times partials are desirable. Let's talk about those.

Let's talk about the different ways you play the A forms. What are some of your tips on learning and playing barre chords? Where's the thumb supposed to be? Are there links to other threads from this site about barre chords? What happens when my hand starts cramping?

This lesson can also be found in my lesson forum. For a list of the lessons, click the Lessons for the Beginner and Beyond link below.


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Nice one. Notice how SWs thumb disappears under the neck, in the pics, when he does a barre chord. Thumb placement in crucial. It needs to be under the middle of the neck. There are two lines of thought about thumb placement in relation to the index finger on the fret board. One is to place the thumb directly under the index finger like you were pinching your finger and thumb together. The second is that the thumb is under the second finger. See which feels best to you.
Remember that your thumb glides around the back of the neck according to how much of a stretch you need to achieve to grab various notes and chords. It is not static. That helps prevent thumb cramps.

Start with the barre chords that SW has shown you but, practice them further up the neck around the 5th fret. Much easier to start with. Work your way down to barre chords closer to the nut which is harder.
Don't practice holding a barre chord for more than a minute at a time. When your thumb starts to hurt, stop and shake your hand out.
You want to hold a clean barre chord with the least amount of pressure so try and avoid crushing the neck. You want as little hand fatigue as possible in your playing.

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That's a great lesson, Steve, you put a lot of work into that ... thanks.

Yes, barre chords are the bane of most beginners. They seem impossible at first, but as you say in your lesson, once you realize that partial barre chords are OK, that you don't always need to play the full six string chord, you can start with them and slowly get to the point where you can comfortably play full chords ... even then, you may choose to play smaller, more compact barre chords simply because they sometimes sound better.

The most important lesson to learn here is that ALL shapes, whether chord shapes, or the aggregate 'shape' of a lick or riff or even a full solo, can move up and down the neck and still retain its original sound. That truly is the beauty of the guitar, a trade off against its complicated layout. Keyboards make a big deal out of those sharp/flat notes by making them black and making them seem different. They're not ... the guitar fretboard makes no such distinction and that's a good thing.

Oddly, I was just starting to think about doing a barre chord lesson myself when I saw this!


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Thats a great lesson SW.

Dunno if this question should go here, or in the workings of music forum, but ill stick it here.

We all know the A Am E Em shapes. And i know the Maj Min and Dom7th shapes are the played in the same way, (slide the chord up and barre it at the root you want)

I think im right here, but just to confirm, the same can be done with D and C shape chords too? Considering you can capo say at 3rd fret, a Dshape will still work, but effectively be an F chord....

So can i play a barre chords based on D and C shapes up the neck the same as E and A shapes?


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Thats a great lesson SW.

Dunno if this question should go here, or in the workings of music forum, but ill stick it here.

We all know the A Am E Em shapes. And i know the Maj Min and Dom7th shapes are the played in the same way, (slide the chord up and barre it at the root you want)

I think im right here, but just to confirm, the same can be done with D and C shape chords too? Considering you can capo say at 3rd fret, a Dshape will still work, but effectively be an F chord....

So can i play a barre chords based on D and C shapes up the neck the same as E and A shapes?
Yup. It is called the C.A.G.E.D. system. Each letter stands for a movable chord. The Barre G shape is a painful one.

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Kewl, i figured if it works with a Capo, it should work with a finger to..
Thanks for confirming AT


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Great post, SolidWalnut. Barre chords are a topic that come up often, this should be very helpful for those with questions!


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Great post, SolidWalnut. Barre chords are a topic that come up often, this should be very helpful for those with questions!

SolidWalunt, thanks for a great post it's perfect timing for me I just got the hang of making a barre chord last week! The attachments are helpful too. Thanks again.

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Thats an excellent lesson well done soildwalnut to be able to visualize the chords is definitely a plus keep them coming

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That's a great lesson, Steve, you put a lot of work into that ... thanks.
You're welcome. Fortunately, I had already taken the pictures a couple of years earlier!

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Oddly, I was just starting to think about doing a barre chord lesson myself when I saw this!
Well, that wouldn't be a bad thing! Maybe there's some angle I haven't explored with these basics and there's definitely the other moveable chord forms. Or as we've been talking about, partial barre chords is a huge (probably through an expanded CAGED lesson or a complementary lesson stemming from Plane Talk) area that we can explore.

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barre chords are also very versatile. Let us look at the different chords you can make by just staying at the third fret.

3
3
4 This would be a G chord
5
5
3

3
3
3 This would make a Gm chord
5
5
3

3
3
4 Here is a G7 chord
3
5
3

3
3
3 And a Gm7 barre chord
3
5
3

3
5
5 Here is a B barre chord
5
3
X

3
4
5 This is one I use often, a Bm chord
5
3
X

3
5
3 Here's a B7 chord
5
3
X

3
4
3 And finally a Bm7 chord
5
3
X


The numbers show which fret to put your fingers on. Notice how the index finger covers the entire third fret on all of the above examples. Slide the hand up or down the neck to get to the chord you want.

I hope this helps those people who are beginning to use Barre chords. This is my first post, so I guess this would be a good time to say, "Love the site."

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3
4
5 This is one I use often, a Bm chord
5
3
X

3
5
3 Here's a B7 chord
5
3
X

3
4
3 And finally a Bm7 chord
5
3
X

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I hope this helps those people who are beginning to use Barre chords. This is my first post, so I guess this would be a good time to say, "Love the site."

thedamon
Howdy thedamon. Thanks for jumping in with the input. Minor correction on your last three chords (just an oversite I'm sure). They're C-flavored chords.

Welcome to the site.

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Sorry ya'll I'm a noobie and still need a little info. I understand how to play a barre chord say "G" but can you give a little more detail on the actual finger positions? In "F' position for a G i barre 3rd fret, 4th fret is 3rd string, 5th fret is 4&5 strings. How id this written using your system??????????

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Sorry ya'll I'm a noobie and still need a little info. I understand how to play a barre chord say "G" but can you give a little more detail on the actual finger positions? In "F' position for a G i barre 3rd fret, 4th fret is 3rd string, 5th fret is 4&5 strings. How id this written using your system??????????
Well, the quickest way is to check out the E formation barre page. Hopefully this will answer it all. If not, let us know.

Also, look at the first three pictures above of the E formation chord. Below each picture are the numbers that indicate the fret for the string. So, 02210 are the fret positions for each string beginning with the sixth or E or the top or the thickest string. As far as strict finger assignments, these should tell you. Like I said, if it's still not clear, let us know.

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Thanks, while I was cruising around the site I realized studingh tabulature wiil help make sense of it all

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