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Old November 6th, 2006
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  Does plane talk apply to alternate tunings?

Or can it?

I did a search a found nothing pertaining to the subject. I assume it is only for standard tuning? Or could I take it and apply it to DADGAD, Open G, etc?

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Or can it?

I did a search a found nothing pertaining to the subject. I assume it is only for standard tuning? Or could I take it and apply it to DADGAD, Open G, etc?
I'd have to give it more thought. But right off the bat I could say that I think so, yes. The areas on the fretboard remain symmetrical regardless of tuning, and the musical theory applications would remain the same. I think PT was written with standard tuning in mind but I think it could be easily adapted.

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I would have to differ with solidwalnut on that one. The strength of P.T. is how it relates to standard tuning and dropped D tuning. Open tuning changes the interval relationships between most strings.
I played open tunings for many years before finding P.T. and while it is helpfull in converting open tuning slide into standard playing, I honestly found no advantage of trying to go the other way.

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I would have to differ with solidwalnut on that one. The strength of P.T. is how it relates to standard tuning and dropped D tuning. Open tuning changes the interval relationships between most strings.
I played open tunings for many years before finding P.T. and while it is helpfull in converting open tuning slide into standard playing, I honestly found no advantage of trying to go the other way.
Well, I agree with you that the strength of PT is in its visualization. But there's two points to why I say what I said:

1) From a musical standpoint, the intervals from the major scale remain the same, no matter how you place your fingers on the fretboard. This is one of those unmovable truths.

2) Altered tunings are called so because they are alternatives from what is standard, or they get their beginnings from standard tuning. In a manner of thinking like how 'modal' scales are altered from the major scale.

The intervals between notes remain the same, regardless. I think it's probably important for a guitarist to approach learning the fretboard from a standard tuning standpoint. Only from there can you learn and appreciated altered tunings.

While I agree that the beauty of PT is from a visual standpoint, I believe that the visual standpoint can be easily altered to adapt to the new tuning environment. The major truths remain the same. Maybe new or altered visual truths would be born, but the blueprint for success would be in place via PT

A person may or may not find an advantage, but I think it's worth the effort.

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I agree that intervals remain the same regardless of the tuning. My thinking is that it would be easier just memorizing intervals for each string and memorizing the chords involved than by thinking P.T. then converting that knowledge to open tunings.

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I'm with AT on this one - the strength of PT is the visualisation of shapes. These will not translate over to DADGAD tuning particularly well, as the shapes not longer lay out neatly on the fretboard. Open G tuning has one of the shapes within the tuning, so that would be easier to navigate from.
If you were to move beyond PT as presented and apply the principles it would be possible to create your own fretboard maps to alternate tunings.

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I did in fact write it for those confused by standard tuning, not open tunings.


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