[stringslinger]

Ok, I've been through the CAGED method... and its ok, though the fretboard logic book isn't good, I came up with a better method (but similar) on my own. However... ITS ALL HARD WORK, and I STILL CAN'T IMPROVISE, but I can put together solos given enough time, though I'm still not "good" yet.

I'm currently reading the BEAD method for guitar... its ok, but still it doesn't really show you anything thats going to improve you right away. though I'm only about half way through this book.

I've probably spent 1000+ dollars on books, videos, dvds etc... only to be disappointed with most, and the ones that I liked only taught me beter technique... so I'm a guitar player who can play 1000 miles per hour and still can't make music, atleast not well.

I'm pretentious about spending another 70+ dollars on this method... I guess because the word "trick" is used so much... I just hope the "trick" isn't on me and my wallet!

I believe that I will buy this product this week (when I get paid), I pray to God that this finally will show me something that makes the guitar easier... not that I mind putting in hard work, playing scales over and over, and playing chords until I can finger them in my sleep, and memorizing whatever I need too.... but none of this seems to break that wall between theory and music... I just assume if I keep on practicing, I'll eventually be able to play pretty well.

Maybe this is what I've been looking for... for the past 5 years or so... It would just be nice if there a sampling of the method somewhere... instead of "the trick" being some isoteric phrase that is supposed to impress? me... but I'm desperate to play better, and tired of filling my brain with soooo much theory and scales and everything else that seems to only take me a baby step farther than where I was... but at a very high cost of time, energy, patience with practice.


Brian

[si16]

You're right Brian, the word 'trick' could possibly give the impression that this is a bit of a gimmick but I can assure you that it's a fully developed system for learning the fretboard and improving improvisation (it would be hard to come up with a 1 hour long DVD based on a gimmick). There are no samples available because it would lead to players working it out for themselves. Kirk makes no secret of the fact that his method is simplistic and most people wonder why they haven't thought of it themselves.

Whether this is the system for you, who can say? But the testimonials point to it helping many players who describe being in a similar position to yourself.

[stringslinger]

Thanks for the reply... I understand about not giving out alot of info on his method, I've actually, already, tried thinking of what it could be that this method teaches... guess I'll just have to wait. I've learned to be very patient, with guitar, one must have patience. It must be somthing different, because almost all other books teach either the CAGED in some form... or something similar to BEAD, OR they don't teach any system at all!

I"m eager, as I seem to be a prime candidate for this method, as I'm not a beginner... probably past intermediate, maybe a low advanced but not pro by far.

[stringslinger]

I think I've figured out what its all about, well atleast the general topic, from reading... now I see why he doesn't say anything. I had just started investigating this, as I caught on to this own my own just a little while back, but my ideas about this are very new and I think PlaneTalk is just what the doc ordered! I had actually started turning the CAGED system into a CT (I won't spell it out, but CT stand for what I believe this method is all about, unless I am wrong)... but anyway... I have not been at this long, turning the caged system into CTs... but I noticed that this was better than caged alone.

I'm more excited than ever to know I'll be learning about what I've been trying to figure out for a little while now.... I caught on to this through a Musicians Institute book, that is way over my head, but I came upon this idea, and thought of the possibilities and started relating it to what I already knew... anyhoo... I'll be sure to write a review of the material, now I can't wait! but I'll have to... atleast until thursday (pay day for me).

[allthumbs]

The P.T. principles are simple like the way pieces move in Chess. The depth that can be achieved with those simple moves on the other hand will keep you learning for life.

[Kirk Lorange]

Hi, stringslinger. I think when you do learn what the 'trick' is you'll understand why I keep it under wraps ... it's just so darn simple! But, you'll also learn how powerful the simple mindset can be, how it can truly become the only real conscious mindset you need to keep everything on track at all times.

Don't forget that it also comes with a forum.

[eddiez152]

Stringslinger,
I am a professional machine tool designer and tool maker with 35years experience. I grew up in the trade the term "tricks of the trade" was common. We all learned form the book. When we actually started working in the real environment we were gast to find out that what we learned in the book and real world application became a night and day differance. The seasoned tool makers were made everything look simple. In fact after years of working with them, We all began to realize just what it meant. AH !
This applies to Plane Talk. Many guitar players can play very well, can run circles around many of us. When we seek an explanation, they are quick to show you how its done. So here is the challange.
Have them put into visual content with vivid understanding.
Like you, I have enought sotware, dvd's, books, to sink the Titanic if it were still around.
Everthing you have always wanted to understand about that fret board lies in this learning method. Tricks ? Maybe more like vivid understanding from a seasoned player who could put into a version we can all understand.

eddiez

[stringslinger]

Thanks eddiez... you know, when you put it like that, it doesn't sound so bad to say "trick"... I'm also a martial arts "expert" (if you consider 3 black belts and many other forms of MA under my belt an expert, not sure what exactly constitutes an expert, anyhoo)...

I'm contantly re-teaching even basics to people because... well they learned something that "works", well kinda... its technically right, but well, it doesn't get the job done in a real situation, so I have to show them certian "tricks of the trade" that takes their average kick or punch and turn it into a real weapon of mass destruction (well hopefully :-) ). I show them what it really takes to develop speed, endurance, power and muscle memory... actually a "secret" is if you work on punching or kicking speed... you'll also be improving endurance, muscle memory and especially power...

Power = Mass X Acceleration(squared)

therefore, speed (acceleration) is the key to Power... not Mass as many think. A small thin man can knock out a huge guy because of his speed... but a huge man can knock out a guy because of his mass, however whoever is faster will hit first!

Anyhoo... sorry for my diversion into martial arts on A GUITAR FORUM! Well THEY DO CALL THE GUITAR AN AXE! ;-)

Brian

[Kirk Lorange]

You've got me scared now, stringslinger. You're not an Aussie, are you? I'd hate for you to buy PlaneTalk, not like it and come looking for me!

[eddiez152]

Brian,

Did I make my point, believe me, you will not be dissapointed. I know everyone says that.
I have been fortunate enough to give them to some my friends as presents. Thats how much I like it.
These guys are not couch patatoes. They are darn good players.
They all agree.
Now start writing a book on all your own experiences.

eddiez

[stringslinger]

Originally Posted by Kirk Lorange

You've got me scared now, stringslinger. You're not an Aussie, are you? I'd hate for you to buy PlaneTalk, not like it and come looking for me!

HAHA! No not an aussie, but would love to visit one day!

Trust me... if I haven't gone after anyone from the last 20 books that did me no good, I doubt I'd come after someone in another country! lol...

Actually though, even a bad book, dvd, video etc... usually has something to learn, even if its just a couple of hot licks...

Well I've got three more days before I can order... we recently rescued a dog and had to get another fence and all.... $$$.$$ and we haven't been married long, so money is tight, but come thursday I'll have to click the buy button, though I was going to buy a keeley blues driver moded pedal (or the super overdrive one)... but that can wait till next month, I'm going to florida this month too, so I need to keep enough extra for that.

BTW... I recently purchased the new Boss Metal Core pedal... EXCELLENT! I love it... very quiet (more than my amps distortion was, I'm running a cyber twin) the distortion is awesome, and it can get alot of different sounds from it, but it isn't made for getting a Blues tone at all. I thought for sure I'd be sending this pedal back before I even got it, but I was dead wrong, this pedal has got tone.

Brian

[stringslinger]

ALRIGHT... I purchased today!

probably be next week before I get the product.

Guess I'll see you guys/gals in the forum as soon as I get my email with all the information in it.

Brian

[Stratrat]

Be sure to let us know what you think, Brian - I don't think you'll be disappointed.

[737blues]

Originally Posted by stringslinger

ALRIGHT... I purchased today!

Brian

Good decision! I've got a very big, (and expensive) pile of wonder books in the corner too. Don't use 'em now.

IMHO it's not just the 'trick' of PT itself, but a different sort of mindset which comes from it and makes you look at your guitar in a refreshingly different sort of way. See you in the forum, I'm sure you're going to have fun with it.