... in the name of guitar
Lost your password or username? Click here

Not a member already? Join now It's free!
PlaneTalk
GFB&B Radio
Members Online: 426 | Discussions: 23,967 | Replies 248,381 | Members: 141,771 | Register here

 
If you are seeing this text, you need to download the latest version of Flash Player here.

Welcome to the Guitar For Beginners & Beyond Forum, the fastest growing Guitar Community on the Internet.

You are currently viewing our site as a guest which limits your access to many of the great features available. By joining our free community you will gain access to over 100 free guitar lessons, be able to post topics, ask questions and communicate with other members (currently we have over 100,000 guitar players from all over the World). By becoming a member, you will also be able to respond to polls, upload and get feedback on your playing and access many other special features... Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free, so why not join our community today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact us.

PlaneTalk FAQ's and Pre-Sales Questions This is the place to ask your PlaneTalk pre-sales questions.

Forum Home > Kirk's PlaneTalk - The Truly Totally Different Guitar Instruction Book/DVD > PlaneTalk FAQ's and Pre-Sales Questions > A PT concern

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
  #1  
Old April 14th, 2007
AX7221's Avatar
AX7221 AX7221 is offline
Member

Playing guitar for over 5 years.
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Last Online: December 28th, 2008 11:16 PM
Location: Massachusetts, US
Posts: 252

  A PT concern

Firstly i am all about scales, but not only about scales chord tones also. What has kept me from buying PT is so many of the people who love PT discredit scales. Scales are such an integral part of music that you cannot ignore them all together. I know a pianist who will discredit chord tones saying he'll sort've gravitate towards them without knowing it, which i think a lot of people who discredit scales will do in turn. Like if im playing in a minor scale i might modulate to a major scale b/c it sounds good but the thought of modulating will never cross my mind. So if someone ignores scales it doesnt mean that they arent playing in a scale, like an A note sounds different in A minor than it does in C major than it does in F major and so on. So i can modulate from A Aelion to C Ionian to B Locrian even if i've never even heard the word Locrian in my life. What im getting at is even if a musician discredits scales and doesnt know the names and patterns of scales will still have the different vibes of the different keys in their music.

So...Long story short i will never give up scales but im having trouble with chord tones, there's a "trick" as far as i know to PT and im curious if i can use this "trick" if im staying with scales.

-Tom

Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
  #2  
Old April 14th, 2007
allthumbs's Avatar
allthumbs allthumbs is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Last Online: 15 Hours Ago 08:58 AM
Location: ont.can
Posts: 15,691


It is common for enthusiasm to get away from people new to P.T. I think it is the sense of relief for people who have struggled with scales and modes. If you read some of my posts, I keep saying it is not scales VS chords. There is no reason to unlearn scales.
P.T. will show you how scales fit in to the overall layout of the guitar and offer you more freedom of note choices. It will help you see chords and scales as a seamless whole.
There is an element of retraining your fingers if you have spent countless hours running scales on auto pilot. P.T. is all about thinking about what notes your playing. With scales, it is the same thing. You need to be able to think of notes outside of the scales and have your fingers go there. The goal is after all, to have complete freedom of the fretboard whether you favour scales, chords or a blend of both.

Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old April 15th, 2007
Kirk Lorange's Avatar
Kirk Lorange Kirk Lorange is offline
Site Founder
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Last Online: 1 Day Ago 07:41 AM
Location: Tamborine Mountain, Australia
Posts: 3,607


Hi, Tom.

If you are pleased with your improvisational skills, there's no need to buy any book. If you're not, then I guess you should try and figure out where the problem lies. If it's creating melody, then PT will help a lot. If you prefer to hear scales, then stick with scales and try and figure out how to juggle them around in a real piece of music, especially one that isn't strictly diatonic where (I guess) you need to keep switching from one to another.

The PT 'trick' is really just a very succinct way of seeing the whole fretboard as a unit, a kind of 'bottom-line' map. You can measure anything at all with it, including all scales and boxes and modes.


Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old April 15th, 2007
felixdcat felixdcat is offline
Full Member

Playing guitar for less than a year.
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Last Online: June 7th, 2008 12:34 PM
Location: Croatia
Posts: 372
Send a message via MSN to felixdcat


But PT explains music itself too, right?

Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old April 15th, 2007
si16 si16 is online now
Moderator
donating member

Playing guitar for over 5 years.
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Last Online: 23 Minutes Ago 12:05 AM
Location: Scotland
Posts: 5,730


It doesn't go into great detail on theory but it does cover the major scale, keys, how chords are made up and some other things before going on to discuss PT itself.

Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old April 15th, 2007
felixdcat felixdcat is offline
Full Member

Playing guitar for less than a year.
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Last Online: June 7th, 2008 12:34 PM
Location: Croatia
Posts: 372
Send a message via MSN to felixdcat


Good. So it covers things you need to know before using PT. Just what I need

Reply With Quote
Reply

Forum Home > Kirk's PlaneTalk - The Truly Totally Different Guitar Instruction Book/DVD > PlaneTalk FAQ's and Pre-Sales Questions > A PT concern



Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 12:29 AM.

 



Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.0.0 ©2007, Crawlability, Inc.