Polyrhythmic constructions

Toxer · #1 May 26th, 2005

i don't know how it is called correctly...i think sombody will understand...

for a half of a year i'm trying to find a man that would tell me how to use it...or any piece of information on this thing

i mean creating mood using the rhythm - not sound

i feel sipmle rhythms hardly can do it...at least few options - 2\4, 3\4, 4\4
it implys march, waltz or just "music")

and there are polyrhythimic thing likemixed 2\4 and 3\4 in 6\4
i think i saw description on a page of some famous bluesman - don't remember hus name

so this mixed rhythm creates mood without a sound...
so i'm intrested in how this thing could be used...if not to become a drummer...

i didn't study in music school of any kind...is it taught there?
or should i say something about it?

allthumbs · #2 May 26th, 2005

I am not sure I follow you. Try here on the theory directory

http://wholenote.com/
WholeNote - The On-Line Guitar Community - with guitar lessons OLGA guitar tab music chords scales and other goodies...

Go to frebuz- theory. I am sure you will find an answer there.

Toxer · #3 May 27th, 2005

i've tried, but i don't know the proper name for this
i saw some discription at Bob Brozman's site

Toxer · #4 May 28th, 2005

i think in that most music all (lets call them track) are based on one rhythm for example 4/4. and every other track completes the previous and has the same or divisible periods. And in polyrhythic structure i can make a bass part in 4/4 and period of 2 measures (i mean 8/4) and regular guitar in 5/4 and period 3 measures. just ideas - i've never heard something like that or at least haven't payed attantion.
i think this thing is used in jazz and ethic african and australian music.

maybe someone knows examples of using this thing (in music) - i'd appreciate you tell me them...(the last phrase may sound a bit wrong

Kirk Lorange · #5 May 28th, 2005

Hey Toxer. Don't apologize for your English ... It's much MUCH better than our Russian.

I don't know much about polyrhythms, but I do love it when bands like Little Feat, who have a drummer and a percussionist, combine straight eights and a shuffle feel ... all at the same time. Is that the kind of thing you mean? Two different rhythms going at the same time?

Kirk

Toxer · #6 May 28th, 2005

i think yes - i've never thought of mixing strait rhythm and shuffle but i think it's interesting.
i'll find there music and listen to it

Toxer · #7 May 30th, 2005

) heard whet you were talking about, Kirk. it sounds a bit atrange in comparison to other music.
I see that nobody uses it in ones music?

i've no time to play now - i'm heaving exams till 8th. than i'll try to make something with polyrhythm...

i think that general idea of using it is the following. drummer plays 2 rhythms at a time and different instruments play in different rhythms.

let's come back to the thing why i started this topic. i thought that someone could give me some tips that can help me...or the music where it is used.
that was just for me - i don't uderstand what we were talking about exactly)

allthumbs · #8 May 30th, 2005

I found a site for you. About half way down they explain polymeters and polyrythms. You could google for a lot more info about it . Hope that helps.

http://www.wpsweb.com/performingarts...whatisjazz.htm

allthumbs · #9 May 30th, 2005

I just heard that Myles Davis recordings in the 80s' used alot of polyrythms. I think when progamable synth drums first became popular, a few rock guys played with polymeter. Phil Collins comes to mind. I saw a tv progam about synth drums years ago and that was one of the big selling points. You could preprogram different rythms so you didn't fry your brain trying to play it live.

allthumbs · #10 May 30th, 2005

A couple more bands that have used polyrythms

Kaos Moon does it. Emerson lake and palmer, Queenswricht, Living color

Toxer · #11 June 2nd, 2005

oh) i have what to download in the nearest month...

i'm thinking about the wait polymeters and polyrythms can be used. Bah said that music is a mixture of mathimatics and magic...a want to understand the mathimatics.

lets take one example of using polyrythm. for example from little feat - i already have it in my computer. i heard it in the end of a song - dont remember the name...

Toxer · #12 June 8th, 2005

can anyone remind me the song?)

LightninBoy · #13 June 14th, 2005

Toxer,
Polyrhythms were used by the African 'Bata' drummers to put young ladies in a trance.
Blues artists used them too, as did funk players, then rappers.
Lots of music utilises polyrhythms.
The bass parts of a song (Bass drum, Bass guitar,etc) play slightly behind the beat, while the treble parts (Pianists right hand, guitar chords, drum cymbals) push forward, slightly ahead of the beat, creating two different rhythms, so to speak.
This creates a push-pull effect,.
Some lead players play behind the beat, lagging a little, and it gives a push pull effect against the band.
There are many ways to use polyrhythms.
I use to play with a great drummer in Melbourne, who messed with them all the time, in different ways.
A good band will make the crowd want to dance, with the aid of push-pull polyrhythms.
Watching girls dance while your playing is very good, yeah?

Toxer · #14 June 15th, 2005

that won't make me happy) i know that it is widly used in music. in this topic i ask for the ways it could be used. or examples of using it. i do this because im not so experianced as most of you are.

and you named one - about push-pull effect. thanks)