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Hey guys,

I've been working on my tunes and trying to get the sound I really want. Recording sound, I should say. And it's elusive! Of course, those who know me know I'm a big Tom Petty and Jeff Lynne fan. TP is cool enough but add JL into the mix, as it were, and you have an extremely crisp sound. I am working toward that Tom Petty Wildflowers/Full Moon Fever/Highway Companion/Traveling Wilbury's sound

I'm not a recording guru but I can hold my own with the equipment I have. Here's the short and sweet:
Line6 Pod2 .0 (not the XT.... .very midi capable ... great tones but certain channels create unwholesome noise)
Behringer UB1202 (has not failed me... but likes to add a tab bit of noise)
Nady CM 88 Condenser (not too sure I like this mic .. seems to muddy/deaden the acoustic tones)
MXL 990 Condenser (awesome)

I use Audacity 1.3 Beta as the transport and I have a multitude of plugins and VST's to play with, A to Z. I rarely use the plugins anymore except perhaps the stock compressor on individual tracks.

I am looking at the Behringer T1952 Tube Compressor and the BBE 482i Maximizer to get a better sound. I've read the reviews. Both get good reviews. Both are nicely priced from MF and in the realm of "Recording Wad".

Heres my question(s):

For all you recording gurus, I'm wanting to create that Tom Petty solo sound for under $200 bucks. Of the two pieces I mention which do you think would help me toward my goal? Or am I way off base and need to start over? Of course, I am very open to suggestions to help better my recording performance.

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Hi Les,
I've lurked over on rec.audio.pro newsgroup on and off for a while. For the most part they are exceptionally knowledgeable and helpful if not always polite . People quite often post there to ask questions such as yours and they ususally get valuable responses. A lot of the posters are professional sound people. So I suggest you ask your question there.

Another compressor that gets rave reviews on that newsgroup is FMR's RNC (Really Nice Compressor) - it's about $200 and is very good. I own one along with FMR's RNP (really nice preamp).
Here's the website to read about them...
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Sorry LC, No help here, but I did find some good reading while surfing your subject. Thought you might enjoy.

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Before I get all long winded (LOL)....

Does it "have" to be a hardware unit, or would you mind getting a plugin? And do you mind waiting a while before getting it or is GAS striking again and requiring a gear purchase ASAP?

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Hey Tekker,

Well, hmm. I haven't popped yet. And I've been studying these two pieces for quite a while. It's not like I have to buy right now. Though I did promise myself and others I'd have a completed CD by the end of spring. I don't think it's going to happen.....

Plug-ins, hmmmm. I know BBE has a software maximizer package. I'm not real sure about it and trying to get the sound I want. Not that I'm a real gear head but I kinda like blinky things.

In the meantime, I am totally open to new avenues. Whatcha got on yer mind? Are you writing a plugin that may address my needs?

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In the meantime, I am totally open to new avenues. Whatcha got on yer mind? Are you writing a plugin that may address my needs?
Well, I'm not, but I may know of someone who is.

The plugin I'm thinking of is called Nebula by Acoustica Audio.

The full release is still in the works, but there are currently a freebie version on their website as well as a special preview release that was released in the May issue of Computer Music Magazine, the title is "Hip Hop". The full release hasn't been set in stone yet, but the word is there will be several versions ranging from around $25 - $400.

So, you're probably wondering what's so special this plugin.... Right?.....

Well, since you asked.... IMO this plugin is literally going to leave all other plugins in the dust (at ANY price). Nebula uses samples of hardware equipment and puts that sound onto your tracks to sound like the actual hardware unit. This is not a digital algorithm or imitation of a certain piece of gear, this is a recording of the actual gear sampled many times at different volume levels and then applied to your dry track. There is currently nothing else like this available.

The best part is, it can use samples from literally any kind of gear such as preamps, mixer consoles, compressors, reverbs, choruses, flangers, EQ's, guitar amps (yes a REAL guitar simulator that actually sounds good!), maximizers, etc.... You name it!

Although the current versions out don't have the capabilities to do guitar distortion simulators yet, it can only do very light distortion. The current versions out right now are their testing ground and they have big improvements that will be coming. The plugin uses a method called Volterra Kernal processing and they said it needs to have 15 kernels to be able to simulate distortion. At the moment it only has 6. Also, the more kernels the better the representation of the gear and the better it will sound. So the fact that it sounds this good now, is awesome considering what they are going to be making on it!

The only down sides are it is not a "tweakable" as other plugins... At least not yet anyways. And it is a real CPU HOG! So mixing down tracks will be a must to free up CPU... But this is still more convenient than running out to a hardware unit (compressor or maximizer) and re-recording the tracks as you can have instant recall if you want to make any changes.

And here's the best part.... They are also going to be releasing a plugin called deconvolver that will let owners of Nebula sample their own equipment and share them with others FOR FREE! This means a literally ENDLESS supply of samples of various effects.


I could go on and on about this, but let's just say I have used a lot of pluings and software. And this is the best I've heard. I think once their full version comes out and they increase the number of kernels to improve it's sound and capabilities, this is going to be the last plugin I need to buy for a long time (until everyone else catches up). Needless to say, I'm very excited about this one!

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