... in the name of guitar
Lost your password or username? Click here

Not a member already? Join now It's free!
PlaneTalk
GFB&B Radio
Members Online: 307 | Discussions: 23,946 | Replies 248,191 | Members: 141,591 | Register here

 
If you are seeing this text, you need to download the latest version of Flash Player here.

Welcome to the Guitar For Beginners & Beyond Forum, the fastest growing Guitar Community on the Internet.

You are currently viewing our site as a guest which limits your access to many of the great features available. By joining our free community you will gain access to over 100 free guitar lessons, be able to post topics, ask questions and communicate with other members (currently we have over 100,000 guitar players from all over the World). By becoming a member, you will also be able to respond to polls, upload and get feedback on your playing and access many other special features... Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free, so why not join our community today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact us.

Guitar Tech This is the place to ask your questions about guitar maintenance and basic guitar repairs.

Forum Home > Guitar For Beginners & Beyond General Forum > Guitar Gear > Guitar Tech > Renovating an old favourite.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
  #1  
Old September 21st, 2009
skinnybloke's Avatar
skinnybloke skinnybloke is offline
Grand Member

Playing guitar for what seems like forever.
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Last Online: 2 Hours Ago 02:41 AM
Location: Phillip Island....Au
Posts: 1,335

  Renovating an old favourite.

This has been a long time coming, so please excuse me if I waffle on a bit.

I'm really enjoying doing this, I hope you do too.

This thread is photo intensive....you may need to click a link to get the pic.


Maton C50 repair and refurbishment...

A bit of history.

Maton is the leading guitar manufacturer in Australia, and has been for 60 years.
This guitar was made in April 1972, cost $500 at the time (= to 10 weeks wages).

Back and sides....Brazilian Rosewood
Top...............Cedar
Neck..............Mahogany
Fingerboard.......African ebony
Bridge............Brazilian Rosewood
Finish............Nitrocellulose laquer
Number made.......703, from 1964 - 1990


On Sep 2nd 1979 I put the guitar on the roof of my car whilst I loaded up our wedding presents....and forgot to put it back in the car.
It was in a case, but that didn't save it. Broke the peghead clean off.
We continued on our honeymoon, but I was in mourning. A couple of months later I decided I could fix it, I bought a tube of Araldite and glued the peghead back together, then I hacksawed the straight bits from a metal pot plant stand and screwed them onto the peghead as reinforcement.
Looks ugly, but has held for thirty years.
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/d...t/IMG_1336.jpg


Sometime in 2003 I cleaned the guitar with a product that was guaranteed to be suitable for nitrocellulose finishes, with this being the end result..

Never trust the label.

Of late the top has bulged upwards behind the bridge, and the the bridge itself has started to lift of the body. Those pics are too out of focus to use.
I have just noticed a crack in the fingerboard.


I've been putting it off for ages, but it needs fixing!

The "To do" list:

Check top bracing....Repair/replace as required
Check bridge plate...Repair/replace as required
Repair/ Replace bridge...it has a huge curve in it
Repair broken peghead
Fix cracks and dents
Remove "all" laquer and respray/finish

I'm sure this list will get bigger as I go along



First thing is to look at the bracing and bridge plate, see if anything has let go, causing the top to bulge,..

I'm a bit intrigued about those little upside down pyramids in the bridge plate?





I've tapped and rapped, theres no vibration. The photos also indicate that the bracing is sound, but has curved with the top.
The bulge is just caused by string tension over 37 years...wish I had bulged that little in the same amount of time.
This is all good, as I don't have to work inside the body....yet!
I may add a stiffening stringer or, I might use a Bridge Doctor, need to think about it longer.


I got blisters on my fingers........!

Last edited by carol m : November 23rd, 2009 at 09:13 AM.
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
  #2  
Old September 21st, 2009
skinnybloke's Avatar
skinnybloke skinnybloke is offline
Grand Member

Playing guitar for what seems like forever.
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Last Online: 2 Hours Ago 02:41 AM
Location: Phillip Island....Au
Posts: 1,335


Next:
Remove the bridge...I know the glue used was "hide glue", which softens when heated, so I used a hairdryer and razorblade dipped in hot water to heat, slice and break down the glue under the bridge.
This took 2 hours.
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/d...t/IMG_1310.jpg
If you look closely you will see that:

A/ The bridge came off cleanly.
B/ It has a huge curve in it.
C/ There are two little spikes in it (I'm now assuming they are locating pins for glueing the bridge), they are also what caused the "upside down pyramids" in the bridge plate pic.
If I reuse the same bridge those little spikes will be very handy

Next:
Sanding the old finish away.
I decided not to use any strippers at all, just to safeguard bindings, and purfling....not so sure that was a good idea.
The top took 1.5 hours.



It's come up really well. You can see wherre the bridge had lifted and where the Rosette had disintegrated.

The back: took 3 hours! It's not difficult,but... it's boring and relentless. ANd I hate sanding!




The Sides: Hmmmmmm.
Bo Diddely had the right idea.....make guitars like a box. The curved sides took over 4 hours to sand.



The neck: I thought it would be a good idea to leave the finish on the main part of the neck until I was ready to do the respray, this way I can handle the guitar without gunking it up with swweat, body oil, etc.
So I just sanded the lower part of the neck, what a PITA....the grain goes 85 different ways!


This is scraping out the last of the old finish.


That's the main sanding done.

I used 180 grit paper to sand...Heavy enough to remove old finish, but light enough to leave the wood as thick as possible.
High density foam sanding block for the top and sides, so the paper would follow the contours.
Dead flat wood sanding block for the back, i want it perfect


I got blisters on my fingers........!
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old September 21st, 2009
skinnybloke's Avatar
skinnybloke skinnybloke is offline
Grand Member

Playing guitar for what seems like forever.
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Last Online: 2 Hours Ago 02:41 AM
Location: Phillip Island....Au
Posts: 1,335


Next:
Fix the crack in the back of the peghead.
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/d...t/IMG_1335.jpg

I just opened the crack up, filled it with superglue and clamped it tight.

Next:
Removing the peghead veneer.
I didn't want to use heat and water to remove the veneer, incase I weakened my original glueup.
As is often the case....3 hours of thinking and 10 minutes work, solves the problem.
I realised that if I reset my clamping cauls for the pegehead crack glueup, to exactly the right height i could use my router/trimmer to shave off the veneer.



It worked a treat.

After sanding the peghead..




Sanding the peghead slots..


The curve in the bridge..


Skinnys patented curved bridge, curve removing jig..




It required a lot of left/right sanding, but i got the bottom of the bridge dead flat.

I'm stopping here until I get some material from Maton, hopefully this week.

My intention is to...

A/ Router a slot thru the middle of the peghead, and splice in a 6mm wide peice of mahogany, to reinforce the old glue joint.
B/ Glue a 2.5mm thick rosewood veneer to the front of the peghead, cosmetic and, to reinforce the old glue joint.
C/ Glue a 2.5mm thich mahogany Veneer to the back of the peghead, cosmetic and, to reinforce the old glue joint.
D/ Glue 2.5mm thich mahogany Veneers to the sides of the peghead, cosmetic and, to reinforce the old glue joint.

AT this stage it is my firm belief that a repair luthier requires 4 items to succeed..
1/ Glue
2/ Clamps (a million is good)
3/ Sandpaper (buy it by the kilometer, it's got to be cheaper)
4/ A brain! The little things are the ones that stump you.


I got blisters on my fingers........!
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old September 21st, 2009
ambetanterik's Avatar
ambetanterik ambetanterik is offline
Member

Playing guitar for over a year.
 
Join Date: May 2009
Last Online: 5 Days Ago 05:42 AM
Location: Belgium
Posts: 119


/thread subscribed

Very interesting, keep it coming

Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old September 21st, 2009
starsailor's Avatar
starsailor starsailor is online now
Prolific Member
donating member

Playing guitar for over a year.
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Last Online: 1 Minute Ago 05:11 AM
Location: Cornwall
Posts: 5,649


Brilliant thread skinnybloke, fine work you've done so far, thanks for all the pictures great detail, look forward to the next update, kudos to you


You don't stop laughing when you grow old; you grow old when you stop laughing.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old September 21st, 2009
6string's Avatar
6string 6string is online now
Grand Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Last Online: 1 Hour Ago 03:20 AM
Location: Canada
Posts: 2,888


worthwhile work I'm sure

Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old September 21st, 2009
shonie777's Avatar
shonie777 shonie777 is offline
Member

Playing guitar for over a year.
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Last Online: 5 Hours Ago 11:13 PM
Location: Kayenta, AZ
Posts: 188


wow! Impressive work.

Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old September 21st, 2009
knight46's Avatar
knight46 knight46 is offline
Prolific Member
donating member

Playing guitar for what seems like forever.
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Last Online: 17 Hours Ago 12:11 PM
Location: Alabama
Posts: 6,434


Outstanding thread and job Skinny, very good work.


"Hail Mary full of Grace..."
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old September 21st, 2009
GotDeeBlues's Avatar
GotDeeBlues GotDeeBlues is online now
Grand Member

Playing guitar for over a year.
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Last Online: 24 Minutes Ago 04:47 AM
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 2,266


Nice work, Skinny. It will be a thing to be proud of for sure. Great to see it's not an entirely "throw it away world" yet. Good luck.


Success is the sum of small efforts, repeated day in and day out.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old September 21st, 2009
mattz196's Avatar
mattz196 mattz196 is online now
Grand Member
donating member

Playing guitar for over 5 years.
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Last Online: 57 Minutes Ago 04:14 AM
Location: Sydney Australia
Posts: 1,790


Looking good Skinny , sure it will look fantastic when completed .
Keep the pics coming very entertaining to watch someone else's hard work


Stop and take a breather, let me freshen up your drink
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old September 24th, 2009
skinnybloke's Avatar
skinnybloke skinnybloke is offline
Grand Member

Playing guitar for what seems like forever.
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Last Online: 2 Hours Ago 02:41 AM
Location: Phillip Island....Au
Posts: 1,335


Quote:
Originally Posted by mattz196 View Post
very entertaining to watch someone else's hard work
LOL Matt...I would have to agree.

A bit of a frustrating day, Maton can supply me with the veneers I want....but the very helpful "Repairs Coordinator" I have been talking to, is on leave till Tuesday.
Unless I get very inventive, there's nothing I can do on the guitar this weekend.
It looks like I'll be spending the weekend mowing lawns.... Spring has sprung!

Thanks all, your comments are appreciated!


I got blisters on my fingers........!
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old October 3rd, 2009
skinnybloke's Avatar
skinnybloke skinnybloke is offline
Grand Member

Playing guitar for what seems like forever.
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Last Online: 2 Hours Ago 02:41 AM
Location: Phillip Island....Au
Posts: 1,335


The material arrived yesterday So I spent today in the shed.

The rosewood veneer..
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/d...2/IMG_1381.jpg


The Mahogony veneer..


Not a lot happened today, but I spent all day doing it.

I decided to check in, the piece of mahogony from the back and not go all the way thru the headstock.



Sanded the back flat, and marked how long I wanted the rebate to be..



This is a jig I use for routering door catches, it worked..



After routering the slot I squared of the ends..



The mahogony for the splice. Remind me, what were those lines for???..




Cutting it to oversize on my poor mans bandsaw..



More sanding..



Nearly fits..



I really hate sanding..



PLaning it down to height, I left it just a little bit proud of the headstock and will sand it flush after glueing..



It's a very snug fit, I'm not pushing it all the way in here, cos I'll never get it out.




I'll glue it in tomorrow, but might have to leave the veneers till next weekend.


I got blisters on my fingers........!
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old October 3rd, 2009
carol m's Avatar
carol m carol m is online now
Songwriting Moderator

Playing guitar for over a year.
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Last Online: 4 Minutes Ago 05:07 AM
Location: Sydney Australia
Posts: 4,654


Quote:
Originally Posted by skinnybloke View Post
AT this stage it is my firm belief that a repair luthier requires 4 items to succeed..
1/ Glue
2/ Clamps (a million is good)
3/ Sandpaper (buy it by the kilometer, it's got to be cheaper)
4/ A brain! The little things are the ones that stump you.
You forgot an important one - you must the guitar (all guitars if you are a luthier).

Do you have a 'before' recording for the 'after' comparison?.


One good thing about music is that when it hits you, you feel no pain - Bob Marley
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old October 4th, 2009
SkyNet's Avatar
SkyNet SkyNet is offline
Member

Playing guitar for over a year.
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Last Online: 4 Hours Ago 12:14 AM
Location: Vancouver, BC
Posts: 121


It's looking great Skinny

How's about you pop that puppy in the mail to Canada when your done?

Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old October 5th, 2009
6string's Avatar
6string 6string is online now
Grand Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Last Online: 1 Hour Ago 03:20 AM
Location: Canada
Posts: 2,888


Quote:
Originally Posted by SkyNet View Post
It's looking great Skinny

How's about you pop that puppy in the mail to Canada when your done?
Yes to me

Reply With Quote
Reply

Forum Home > Guitar For Beginners & Beyond General Forum > Guitar Gear > Guitar Tech > Renovating an old favourite.



Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 05:12 AM.

 



Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.0.0 ©2007, Crawlability, Inc.