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Intonating Problems..
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I recently baught a Epiphone Les Paul custom, great guitar!
but I noticed the intonation was slightly off so I did some adjustments on the saddles, it seems that my A and D string are very flat, I tried to make it less flat by moving my saddle towards the fret board but its still flat and I cant make any further adjustments (the saddle cant be pushed any more forward) can someone help out ? what to do? 
There are no guitar shops here.. I live on a small island ...lol
And I can't find anyone on this Island that has the brains for it.
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I noticed that one part of my bridge's action is pretty high as you can see in that pic. would this have anything to do with my intonation? sorry I'm a noob at this 
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I can't get your links to work... but allow me to share a problem I had with a "cheap paul" copy and its intonation.
The knife edge saddles on my Dean EVO were fine except the D string, and fully adjusted forward wasn't enough the way the saddle was turned... let me try to show you with text art...
/l is the way it faced... I had to remove it and turn it around... l\ like so... to get it adjusted properly.
Its my understanding that they sell aftermarket bridges with more travel as well as roller saddles that will also help with this issue.
Does that help?
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Copy paste the pic links Dewy. That works.
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Yeah sorry I couldn't put www infront cause I haven't posted 10 messages yet
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dewy
I can't get your links to work... but allow me to share a problem I had with a "cheap paul" copy and its intonation.
The knife edge saddles on my Dean EVO were fine except the D string, and fully adjusted forward wasn't enough the way the saddle was turned... let me try to show you with text art...
/l is the way it faced... I had to remove it and turn it around... l\ like so... to get it adjusted properly.
Its my understanding that they sell aftermarket bridges with more travel as well as roller saddles that will also help with this issue.
Does that help?
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I'm not quite sure what you mean with the text art.. you turned the saddle?
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No, just the saddle.. the small part of the bridge that directly touches the string.
Knife edge saddles look like http://www.k-t-s.com/contents/bridge/fig/PR-01dwg.jpg
Notice its higher on one side than the other. I represented this with the "text art" /l or l\
If you remove the saddle and reverse it it will gain you just another 3/16th or so of adjustment.
Notice in the following link (insert pic didn't work) tune-o-matic has some saddles face one direction, and others are reversed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tune-o-matic
also I tried copying the link to an address bar... it timed out.
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Try taking the tune-o-matic apart and reversing the blades on A nd D so that the soft edge points toward the bridge instead of away from it. It should give you another millimetre or so, and that might be enough.
edit, yes what Dewy said 
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Yeah... what Clefless said... 
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Hehe, I need to learn to read an entire thread before posting. I'm actually interested in trying out roller saddles. I hear that they help prevent string breakage because it is a much smoother transition instead of just a sharp angle on a point. I don't know what the drawbacks are though so I haven't invested in one yet.
Good luck with it Matt, hopefully you can do it without having to send away to a shop or order more parts.
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thanks for the help Dewy and Clefless!
I'll try it out and see if it works
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Be careful taking out the saddle. The Tune-o-matic bridge has retaining clips or wires that keep the adjustment screw from screwing out of the bridge. You don't want to lose them or forget where they go or how they go.
Your pic links still don't work but I would try to lower the bridge on the E,A,D side of the strings before tinkering with the saddles. As you mentioned it seemed were a bit too high. Make small adjustments, and test.
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Alright Mike, I'll try to lower the bridge,
the first image link is broken I think,lol sometimes it works.. but if you copy and paste the other one,
it should work
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Strange 'bridge' problems can sometimes be traced to an incorrectly cut nut. The nut slot needs to angle down toward the tuning peg to make the highest point of the slot nearest the fingerboard. When this is not the case it can alter the scale length and causes problems... worth a look.
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