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Hello Kirk,
I have a lot of questions to ask.
I hope you have an answer to it.

First of all , i play acoustic steelstring, fingerpicking.
But here comes my First problem . i use (pima).

When i play capolane for example,


When i play the First part in G ; 30, 2, and last 01 . do i play 01 two times with my middlefinger? Or do i use different fingers? And how?

The same for the next part in AM; 0,013. do i play here 013 three times with my middlefinger? Or do i use different fingers? And how?

The same for the next part in G/B; 2,320. do i play 320 three times with my ringfinger?
Or do i use different fingers? And how?

I found on the internet a site and this made me more confused, because i was thinking that pima was just the thumb for Ead, indexfinger for g, midlefinger for b and ringfinger for e string.they use pima on different positions. i cant use the link on internet because i dont have written 10 messages on your site.
Now i dont know how to play pimastyle anymore.

my goal is to play fingerstyle. If i want to play fingerstyle, than fingerpicking with pima is the right basic?
Is it possible to put some lessons on your site withe clear examples with pima style, and how to use pima with the right fingerpositions?
I hope my English is oke to understand what i ask ?
Best wishes from the Netherlands,
Pangeaman. (member since last week).
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Pangeaman. There's a general rule in solo fingerstyle playing, especially in classical, that you don't use the same finger twice, apart from the the thumb. When two consecutive notes are on the same string, you usually alternate between i, & m or m, & i.

What you saw on the internet is a general rule about fingerstyle accompaniment, rather than solo fingerstyle. In fingerstyle accompaniment you are mostly playing chords and always changing string, so that rule you saw about using a different finger for each of the upper strings works well.
The example you gave is solo fingerstyle, i.e., you're playing the melody as well as the accompaniment, so you alternate fingers i & m to play those notes where necessary.

The reason I'm jumping in to answer this ahead of Kirk is that I'm preparing a lesson on fingerstyle accompaniment that I'll be posting soon. It's good to have an understanding of fingerstyle accompaniment before trying more difficult solo fingerstyle pieces.

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my futuregoal is fingerstyle. but now i have to prepare a good basic for fingerstyle. so i thought fingerpicking would be the right basic with pima .
its difficult to find the right way to play, because many people play pim instead of pima.
i could find something from the site what i have told u about. watch the attachment.
so can u tell me how to play capolane , i mean what kind of fingers should i have to use, because capolane is not fingerstyle but fingerpicking.
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Ok - I've added a suggested fingering to each note using p, i m & a. (Guitar Pro uses Tima, instead of Pima) The fingering is 'suggested' because it's up to you. You can change any of the fingering, except:

1. Always play bass notes with the thumb
2. Never use the same finger twice (except with chords)

I've converted it to a .jpg file because my Guitar Pro is GP5 and you might not be able to read it as yours is GP4.

Now can you tell me - What do you think is the difference between fingerstyle and fingerpicking?
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Now can you tell me - What do you think is the difference between fingerstyle and fingerpicking?

I think/believe that fingerpicking is playing PIMA, playing a bassline with a melodyline.
Just a standardway of playing a standard composition/chords.

And fingerstyle is what i think/believe an ‘’advandced way of playing fingerpicking’’.
I mean , you have the standard way of fingerpicking and you can remove or add different kinds of techniques to make your composition complete/ different.
You kan add Tapping, arpeggio's, powerpicking etc...
its not easy to explain what i think in english, but i hope its ok what i wrote.
best wishes PANGEAMAN.

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I hope that the fingering i wrote out for you was useful.

I don't know where you got the difference between the words "fingertsyle" and "fingerpicking" - maybe they're used locally as you described, but those are not standard definitions. They're really the same.

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I hope that the fingering i wrote out for you was useful.

I don't know where you got the difference between the words "fingertsyle" and "fingerpicking" - maybe they're used locally as you described, but those are not standard definitions. They're really the same.
If I am understanding what he is saying fret, the first is a fixed finger pattern over the chords while the second is finger picking selecting melody notes notes over a baseline.

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Yeah, I think so, AT. Here in the UK (or at least my part of the UK) we use the word "fingerstyle" for everything using individual fingers instead of a pick, (except classical or flamenco). But we often think of 'fingerpicking' like American bluegrass, banjo, fast and syncopated style. It's not in any way official, though - just how we think of them.

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Ah' It all becomes clear. Us colonials have refined the language and taken it up another level kinda... maybe.....It could happen.

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