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July 3rd, 2006
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Fire and Rain
great lesson. ive always wanted to hear what the guitar part sounded like on its own
how do the lyrics for the verse fit over the guitar though? like, which bars do certain lines come in? i cant quite figure it out because the verse part in the lesson seems quite short
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July 3rd, 2006
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I faded out the second half of the verse, nem, just to keep it short. You can see in the tab where the verse starts ... the second half starts at bar 17 and repeats the first half exactly ... in chord structure, that is. You don't have to play them identically, I always like to change repeat sectoins a little bit, myself, just to keep the interest up.
I was the really the intro I wanted to teach in this lesson, just because it's so well known.
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ahh yeah i see how that works now, thanks
any plans for teaching the chorus section as well?
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July 3rd, 2006
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Originally Posted by Nem
ahh yeah i see how that works now, thanks
any plans for teaching the chorus section as well?
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I think that's next week's lesson, Nem.
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July 3rd, 2006
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Hey I see how it works now I have looked at Fire and Rain for a long time and I think I was over thinking it and coming up with all sorts of crazy and imposable to do fingerings. After watching the video a few times a light just went on and I just in my head how to play the parts. I hope there is appoint where the seeing becomes easier
Thanks!
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July 3rd, 2006
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Thanks for doing this one, Kirk. I always enjoy seeing and hearing your lessons.
I'd also like to encourage everybody who takes advantage of them to chip in a little money to help keep the machinery oiled and humming. Easy if you have PayPal, and it's kind of like supporting public television -- you get a lot for free and half of my instrumental piece came from here, so I'm grateful.
Steve
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July 3rd, 2006
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Thanks for the lesson, Kirk.
Go James Taylor. He makes such cool music. Even his covers are really cool and interesting.
Check out the intro to "Like Everyone She Knows." It is beautiful.
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July 4th, 2006
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can you please tell me if jt played that whole song just finger picking? i was led to believe he uses his pick in between two non used fingers on parts of the piece. i love the song, it is a master piece to me, but so is stairway to heaven.
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July 4th, 2006
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Pic?! Blasphemous! (I just realised I have never written that word before and have no idea how to spell it)
James is all fingers, but the does have thick nails (with extra layers of stuff glued on to strengthen). He does brush the strings (rather than a hard strum) with his nails in the Csus2 bit of the chorus.
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July 5th, 2006
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thanks dugal, i never really new the nostalgia behind jt's playing methods. didn't mean to degrade a true finger picker by any means. i play both ways, i find that you can have so much more to offer in your playing by using a pick or finger picking. after all there is alot of musical pieces that involve the use of both. exa. rodney james dio's title track ''the last in line'', the intro is finger picked as the rest is pick work. peace my good man.
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July 5th, 2006
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Fire & Rain
Thanks Kirk. This is the first time I've tried one of your lessons and I'm blown away. Suddenly I can play this beautiful song! Think I've kinda figured out the chorus but I'll certainly be double checking that next week.
Paul 
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Pic?! Blasphemous! (I just realised I have never written that word before and have no idea how to spell it)
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You got 'blasphemous' right, missed out on 'pic k' ... 
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July 5th, 2006
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Originally Posted by Kirk Lorange
You got 'blasphemous' right, missed out on 'pic k' ... 
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July 7th, 2006
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you my friend are a great guitarist based on my analysis of your playing ability. you are truely skilled in the art of guitar creativity! it's great musicians like you, jimmy page, stevie ray vaughn, and tom sholz, that give me the inspiration and drive to want to learn it all! for what ever it's worth THANK YOU Kirk! peace, love, and good will. john
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July 9th, 2006
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That was good, Kirk. Thanks for the laugh.
johnny64, I didn't mean to sound disrespectful - in my mind I was hinting to the way I kind of worship James' music and taking the mickie out of myself. Sorry dude.
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