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Old May 16th, 2006
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  Waltzing Matilda.

What a great piece Kirk, I really strugle but this piece was nice and easy but sounds great. Thanks Kirk.

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I agree, that sounds beautiful...I can't wait to try it.


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Wow, that's definitely not what I expected - the usual dun dah dah, dun dah dah waltz. Much more complex and outright beautiful. Can't wait for part two!



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I think Kirks dun dah dah`s are brill as well.

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I've seen a few versions before but this is the best. The song flows very well. Thanx for the tabs....

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Wait till you try part two, Brill. Thanks Kirk.

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I'm also working on this, based on Kirk's part one. I workled out my own chorus part before Kirk got his posted, so I'm going with mine.

Thanks, Kirk!

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i love it, but have a question....how does the vocal melody fit with the guitar part in the lesson? I cant hear it :s maybe its because ive only ever heard a fast version of waltzing matilda being sang...

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"Oddly, the tune isn't in 3/4 time, so it's not a waltz" you wrote in the newsletter. That´s probably because the phrase "waltzing Mathilda" doesnt mean to dance a waltz i.e. its not a description of the music - It´s slang.


Waltzing Matilda means making a pot of tea.
In the morning when the Australian lumber jack got out of bed he threw a handful of tea leaves in a tincan and let it boil while he cooked up some bacon. When the bacon was done he ate it with the tea. When he got back to camp in the evening he reheated the remains of the tea and drank it.
The tincan was called "Mathilda". The phrase "Waltzing Mathilda" is slang for making and drinking tea.

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I'm not an Aussie, but my research shows that the can is a "billy", as in "waited 'til his billy boiled."

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I'm not an Aussie, but my research shows that the can is a "billy", as in "waited 'til his billy boiled."

http://www.niehs.nih.gov/kids/lyrics/matilda.htm for slang reference

but according to this book from 1947 entitled coffee and tea it means making tea.

http://www.246.dk/teacramer.html

Iīm not Australian either but I became intrigued with this song because we sang it in English class at my school when I was a kid.

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"Oddly, the tune isn't in 3/4 time, so it's not a waltz" you wrote in the newsletter. Thatīs probably because the phrase "waltzing Mathilda" doesnt mean to dance a waltz i.e. its not a description of the music - Itīs slang.


Waltzing Matilda means making a pot of tea.
In the morning when the Australian lumber jack got out of bed he threw a handful of tea leaves in a tincan and let it boil while he cooked up some bacon. When the bacon was done he ate it with the tea. When he got back to camp in the evening he reheated the remains of the tea and drank it.
The tincan was called "Mathilda". The phrase "Waltzing Mathilda" is slang for making and drinking tea.
No offence there Nalk, but as an aussie, i have to correct you on that one...

As RockerBob said, the tin can is called a billy...

A matilda is "nickname" as such, for a swag, which is a canvas bag essentially that you sleep in (kinda like a flat single person tent)...

A swagman (swaggy), commonly "humps" his matilda (ie lugs it around with him while he roams the country side). To waltz a matilda, means to lug your swag around with you..

And the song (poem) isnt a 3/4 waltz, like you would dance to. its mearly music put to banjo pattersons poem in 4/4...


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  My point, how ever wrong the rest....

Iīll easily admit that I was wrong about the meaning of the phrase "waltzing Mathilda". I did some bad research on that one. I just remembered the song from my school days (which ended way more than a few hours ago). We analized it back then, which is why I knew that the title meant something else. I had to look up the term because I didnt quite remember the meaning of the term. Next time Iīll do better.


Anyway my original point as to why the song is not in 3/4 though it has the word walz in the title still stands though. The title is a slang phrase that doesnt refer to dancing but rather to something to do with camping or tenting.

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Nalk,
Sorry if i came off the wrong way. I agree with the title being slang and misleading that its not a 3/4 waltz. Wasnt trying to pick a fight in anyway, in fact, i really dont know why i commented in the first place. lol

Again, sorry if i seamed narky over the issue..

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  Absolutely no offense taken.

I dont think you came on strong. I wasnt trying to sound irritated either.

I just had to jud down the previous post ten minutes before I had to go to work so...

Besides a computer literate would probably have put in a couple of smilies just to show that he came in peace (I am still talking about my post) but I have a strong aversion towards using those because I think they are more pollutant to the written word than freon is to the ozon layer.

I have another trick I use in stead of smilies when I am in a forum.

I picture all of us as sitting on a big couch, each of us holding a glass of nice red wine in one hand while quietly and calmly debatting. Not discussing but debatting. Subtle difference.

In my experience no one sipping good red wine could ever get angry or irritated.
With this picture in my head I find that I am unable to take any offense of anything I read in a forum.
That is actually the first image that pops into my head whenever and whereever I encounter the word "forum".

Besides, the hardest part about reading something on the net, or anywhere for that matter, is guessing the mood the writer/sender was in when he/she wrote it. Guessing wrong is the source of most of the internet controversy these days. Or for musical reference since this is a guitar forum, just think of the controversy of the song "Puff, the magic dragon" by Peter, Paul and Mary. Is it about a magic dragon or is it about smoking dope?
I read about the email misunderstandings in a newspaper article a couple of months ago.

This goes right to the heart of something I learned in bussiness school: most human conversation ( I think the statistical number is about 70-80 percent, if I remember it correctly ) consists of body language, which means that understanding the written word completely is a monumental task because of the lack of body language.
Add to this that most of us dont have English as our mother tongue and the confusion can really reach staggering proportions.
I fear that at some stage wars could start because of these obstacles. It just takes one email between heads of states that is not crystal clear and we are off.

Let me give you another example:

The "more than a few hours ago" thing in my previous post was an attempt at disarming humor by understating a fact. But you cant see me so you dont know that I left school when I was 16 years old and that I am now in my forties.
Knowing what I know about communication why did I put it in then? Well I assumed that the word "hours" and the brackets would give away the fact that it was a joke. Maybe the joke might have worked if I had used "minutes" or "seconds" in stead? (Normally there would have been a smiley here to indicate to the reader that he/she was supposed to smile)

Whew, sorry if this sounds a bit longwinded but I just cant help myself. I love debats.

Now do me a small favour and go back to the beginning of this post again and try picturing a guy sitting next to you on a burgundy coloured velvet couch leaning back while holding a glass of good red wine and sporting a peacefull, interested facial expression almost showing his friendly dimples (that is a nice phrase btw. "friendly dimples". Some one ought to use that in a lyric) , while you read it again.

I hope your dimples are showing before you have reached the second line this time.

As for the "Mathilda" phrase I was wrong. I checked with an Australian library site but by then it was too late to do anything to correct my previous post.
As for my promising to do better fact finding next time I am reminded of a somewhat "sadistic" guitar tutor I once had. His favourite expression was: "practise makes better". He´d usually be sporting a wicked smile when he said that to me.
Then he´d explain that learning the guitar is not a goal but a never ending journey, much like anything else in life worth doing.
I guess my fact finding skills falls in that category too.

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