A slide tune to work on

Jim Heidinger · #1 November 30th, 2005

Hi Kirk,

I guess I get to be the first to open this forum! Cool!

I did this backing track called slide. It was the first and last time I attempted to use a slide on the guitar. Man! It was hard!

Anyway, here is the backing:

Slide.mp3

You think you can spice it up with some real good slide work for fun? It's a little on the cheesy side

but overall it has a nice feeling to it.

Jim

allthumbs · #2 November 30th, 2005

That is a pretty busy bt Jim. Not much room for a slide to play in without stepping all over your slide work. Could you give us more info. The key and chord progression would help. Your sliding sounds pretty good to me BTW

Kirk Lorange · #3 November 30th, 2005

Hey!! A new forum!! That Clancy ... I tell you what. She's a doer ... her office, by the way, is on the opposite side of our house, so we're not in constant communication and she keeps surprising me with innovations.

That's beautiful, James, very tropical-breaking-surf. There are some holes there I was just filling on the resonator while listening ... I'll do a quick take asap.

Jim Heidinger · #4 November 30th, 2005

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Originally Posted by allthumbs

That is a pretty busy bt Jim. Not much room for a slide to play in without stepping all over your slide work. Could you give us more info. The key and chord progression would help. Your sliding sounds pretty good to me BTW

I was thinking of posting it again without the slide track to let Kirk spice it up and solo over.

I had to sit and work out the chords again:

Bbsus2 Spelled 3,R,9,5 Tab: (5,5) (4,8) (3,5) (2,6)
C/9(no 3rd) Spelled R,5,R,9 Tab: (5,3) (4.5) (3,5) (2,3)
Dm7 Played on fifth fret Spelled R,5,b7,b3 Tab (5,5) (4,7) (3,5) (2,6)
Bb/9(no 3rd) Same spelling as C/9 Tab: (5,1) (4.3) (3,3) (2,1)
Bbsus2 Spelled 3,R,9,5 Tab: (5,5) (4,8) (3,5) (2,6)
C/9(no 3rd) Spelled R,5,R,9 Tab: (5,3) (4.5) (3,5) (2,3)
Dm11 Spelled R,11,b7,b3 Tab: (5,5) (4.5) (3,5) (2,5)

That is pretty much the progression through the whole tune. Sometimes I hear the G note in the C/9 Tab: (1,3)

Other than that I think you'd be good to go!

Jim

Jim Heidinger · #5 November 30th, 2005

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Originally Posted by Kirk

Hey!! A new forum!! That Clancy ... I tell you what. She's a doer ... her office, by the way, is on the opposite side of our house, so we're not in constant communication and she keeps surprising me with innovations.

That's beautiful, James, very tropical-breaking-surf. There are some holes there I was just filling on the resonator while listening ... I'll do a quick take asap.

That would be great!

If I can find the master you want me to take out the slide and you can take the melody and solo over it? I'll probably not be able to get to that until Thurs... May take some hunting down.

Jim

Jim Heidinger · #6 November 30th, 2005

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Originally Posted by Jim Heidinger

I was thinking of posting it again without the slide track to let Kirk spice it up and solo over.

I had to sit and work out the chords again:

Bbsus2 Spelled 3,R,9,5 Tab: (5,5) (4,8) (3,5) (2,6)
C/9(no 3rd) Spelled R,5,R,9 Tab: (5,3) (4.5) (3,5) (2,3)
Dm7 Played on fifth fret Spelled R,5,b7,b3 Tab (5,5) (4,7) (3,5) (2,6)
Bb/9(no 3rd) Same spelling as C/9 Tab: (5,1) (4.3) (3,3) (2,1)
Bbsus2 Spelled 3,R,9,5 Tab: (5,5) (4,8) (3,5) (2,6)
C/9(no 3rd) Spelled R,5,R,9 Tab: (5,3) (4.5) (3,5) (2,3)
Dm11 Spelled R,11,b7,b3 Tab: (5,5) (4.5) (3,5) (2,5)

That is pretty much the progression through the whole tune. Sometimes I hear the G note in the C/9 Tab: (1,3)

Other than that I think you'd be good to go!

Jim

I guess I should have used this convention for the chord forms:

Name, position, spelling (chord tones), fingering:

Bbsus2
[x5856x]
|x3R95x|
|x1412x|

A little easier to read! LOL It was late so I was not thinking too creatively!

Jim

Kirk Lorange · #7 November 30th, 2005

That's easier! My head was swimming looking at the first post!

allthumbs · #8 December 1st, 2005

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Originally Posted by Kirk

That's easier! My head was swimming looking at the first post!

My heads still swimming. Are those all variations of the Bbsus2? My brain can't make them fit the intervals for that chord or are they some of the chords in the tune that are not labeled. How someone holds a 3 and a 9 at the same time is kinda baffling. I must be missing something big time here. How about writing out the intervals for us Kirk.

Jim Heidinger · #9 December 1st, 2005

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Originally Posted by allthumbs

My heads still swimming. Are those all variations of the Bbsus2? My brain can't make them fit the intervals for that chord or are they some of the chords in the tune that are not labeled. How someone holds a 3 and a 9 at the same time is kinda baffling. I must be missing something big time here. How about writing out the intervals for us Kirk.

No, that's not right... The sequence of DATA is the positions, then the chord tones, then the fingering. I was trying to be thorough! But just made it a little more confusing. hehe

That first post was done when I was extremely tired, late at night and not thinking too clearly. All the info is there it's just hard to read.

I'll just spell out the chord positions tonight when I get home or if I have time at Lunch I might give it a go. If you need more info about chord tones or fingering I'll leave that open for another post to answer any questions.

Jim

Jim

allthumbs · #10 December 1st, 2005

Thanks Jim. I can find the chords ok on my own. I just can't get them to fit what you have notated in your second post. I hate puzzles

If you find the master for this tune and take out the slide part,I will take a crack at it. I don't really need the specific chord locations because I tend to play each chord in as many different positions as I can,but some of the folks here would benefit from a more ridged framework.

Jim Heidinger · #11 December 1st, 2005

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Originally Posted by allthumbs

Thanks Jim. I can find the chords ok on my own. I just can't get them to fit what you have notated in your second post. I hate puzzles

If you find the master for this tune and take out the slide part,I will take a crack at it. I don't really need the specific chord locations because I tend to play each chord in as many different positions as I can,but some of the folks here would benefit from a more ridged framework.

This is what I meant:
:Strings :
Bbsus2 :654321:

fret positions: [x5856x]
chord tones: |x3R95x|
fingering: |x1412x| (first finger is barred)

I hate puzzles too if I can't figure them out. Drives me crazy!

Hope this helps to clarify. I'm sure you could come up with inversions. I specifically selected the forms for the voice leading effect. I'm usually quite picky about that! LOL But you could come up with harmonized voicings or polytonal effects with substitute triads or other simple forms. I used to do that quite a bit when I would play with another guitar player. Put the two forms together and you get a rich piano type chord with two guitars.

Anyway, I'll see if I can dig up the file and pull the slide out of it for you tonight.

Jim

allthumbs · #12 December 1st, 2005

That would be great Jim. Would you mind if I take the bt,if you can find it, over to Kirks' plane Talk forum. I know some of the guys there would love to have a go at it.

Jim Heidinger · #13 December 1st, 2005

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Originally Posted by allthumbs

That would be great Jim. Would you mind if I take the bt,if you can find it, over to Kirks' plane Talk forum. I know some of the guys there would love to have a go at it.

Not at all!

Jim

allthumbs · #14 December 1st, 2005

Ah Jim, about that Bbsus2. I have been puzzling over it and finally a friend more savy than I pointed out that the chord is more likely a Bb +9 since a sus 2 is 1,2,5. Your chord has a 3 and a 9 which would make it a +9 since the 1 hasn't been flattened to a b7. Forgive me belabouring the point. I just want to make it clear for any others following this thread with less theory than you and I. I have to admit that that had me going for a while. I tend to see the chord extentions I can play as well as the chord itself so it kind of all blended together for me till it was pointed out about the basic chord. That is a bad habit I will have to watch out for.

Jim Heidinger · #15 December 1st, 2005

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Originally Posted by allthumbs

Ah Jim, about that Bbsus2. I have been puzzling over it and finally a friend more savy than I pointed out that the chord is more likely a Bb +9 since a sus 2 is 1,2,5. Your chord has a 3 and a 9 which would make it a +9 since the 1 hasn't been flattened to a b7. Forgive me belabouring the point. I just want to make it clear for any others following this thread with less theory than you and I. I have to admit that that had me going for a while. I tend to see the chord extentions I can play as well as the chord itself so it kind of all blended together for me till it was pointed out about the basic chord. That is a bad habit I will have to watch out for.

Add9 sounds reasonable. I think Fagan from Steely Dan used to just call it a mu chord! LOL That inversion is a Steely Dan type of chord btw which others have argued about it being a sus2 because of the position of the 3rd which is below the octave. If I remember correctly, since the top part of the chord contains the R25 the predominant harmony is the sus2. Even more baffling is the add9 chords I use because they are missing the third!

I just hear these nice sounds and leave the identification to those who like to study such things because I have a hard time remembering all those rules. I seem to break them anyway so it does not serve me well to be bogged down with all that.

However, I do run into spelling issues! Charlie says that the shorthand approach in identifying a chord sometimes is just not going to work. It is at that point you go to notes. LOL

I have no final answer...

Backing track to follow!