[Jim Heidinger]

It's a bit busy but maybe you can play over it. This is an unfinished piece that I've had laying around for a couple of years. Bernardo Pires from Brazil is the cowriter.

demo.mp3

Hope you like it!

Jim

[allthumbs]

Nice one. Sounds like a pretty complex chord progression.

[nagukush]

Hey Jim !!!

Sounded Great !!!

Kindest regards
Kush

[Jim Heidinger]

Originally Posted by nagukush

Hey Jim !!!

Sounded Great !!!

Kindest regards
Kush

Thanks Kush! I had a lot of fun doing this. Only wish we would have finished the tune and then recorded it with some players. Still, I was happy with the way things turned out.

Jim

[Jim]

I just wrote a nice post and when I clicked "Submit" I got one of those "Page not found" errors, so I have to do this over again. But being lazy, I'll just quickly say that there are two takes here - I like the first one best, but it came out too loud, with some distortion (and I don't have a separate lead track that I can remix) so I'm uploading that one, along with one that has good volume, but is my second favorite (I never did get another take I liked as well as the distorted one - Murphy's Law!!! )

Jim - this is a really cool BT, and I hope I did it justice. Please try to ignore the distortion on the first upload, and there's always the second one if you can't...

Jim

[allthumbs]

Your way out in front of the mix Jim. I can't hear the backing well enough to tell how your doing. This is one of those tunes where you really have to think your way through it. Tricky to jam over.

[Jim]

Our systems produce such different results - I can hear the BT very clearly on my PC. Believe me, I did think my way through this, because this is indeed a tricky track to solo over!

I upped the level of the BT to my lead - basically added another track of Backing at less than full volume to the backing I already had there - to me I now sound buried under the BT in this version, but tell me what you hear.

Jim

[allthumbs]

Your right. Now your too far back in the mix. Drives you nuts doesn't it.

[737blues]

To be honest, I don't think I'd know where to begin with a track like this. For an old twelve bar basher like me, this is advanced stuff Jim and Jim. So, full marks for having a go at it Jim from New Jersey, (lol!) I think what you did was sounding good but it was difficult to hear clearly and If I had to make a comment I'd say the echo effect was a bit too much and that's perhaps what made it difficult to discern where you were going with this Jim.

[Jim]

OK - I thought the echo effect kind of fit in with the fusion backing, but perhaps I was wrong.

I'll give it another go with a cleaner sound and maybe then we can all hear what's going on!

Jim

[allthumbs]

As Jim H. said, this is a busy tune. It already has a strong melody. I imagine it is full of chord extensions. I would have to know the exact chords he used and take quite a bit of time trying to find either a counter melody or space to slip some riffs in. This is by no means an easy one to jam over.

[Jim]

No, this is definitely NOT an easy one to jam over... I'm not sure I would even use the work "jam" with something this difficult - at least not until I would be comfortable with Jazz type solos - which I definitely am not. I'm also only used (and then only for less than 9 months or so) to soloing over 12 bar blues as well - I did this just to see if I could stretch what I knew into the unknown.

I also don't know the exact chords being used...and there is so much going on. I mainly played by ear - by using my experience with knowing where I have to go from where I am to get a particular interval I want for the melody that's forming in my mind, and that's a tough job to do on the fly. I really have SO much respect for those who can solo Jazz and fusion easily - it's got to be a real steep learning curve. That's the only reason I did this today - to learn. To see what I could do by ear without knowing what the chords were...because that situation could happen.

I think having the echo effect on earlier hid from me some of the delicacies of what was going on beneath and what I had to do on top. I think for the first minute of this I had an idea in my mind where the backing was going and what I wanted to sound like over it, but the last 40 seconds or so were harder, and I felt more lost as things seemed to be moving in directions I couldn't easily put into a mental pattern. I did the best I could, but I think I know that this kind of music is obviously still too advanced for me - but this was a good learning lesson for me and can only help me further with my learning since I have a better idea what lies ahead as I progress.

Jim H. - my hats off to you for being able to produce such music - it really blows my mind at this point, and I know I didn't do justice to it, so forgive me for learning with your music in public... I hope you don't mind.

Anyway, I did one more take with a cleaner tone, and this one I can adjust the volume of easier, so if the backing or lead are too loud/low I can easily adjust it.

Wow...what a day!

Jim S.


HANG ON - listening to this thru different speakers, I think Marty will again not be able to hear the backing well - so I'll remix will a lower lead and have that up in a couple of minutes,

[Jim]

Lead lowered - it can go down more if needed...

Jim

[allthumbs]

I have a jazz piece I have put away for future attempts. It has really awkward chord changes and changes tempo. It's a bear.
That last take had some good moments in it Jim.

[Jim]

Originally Posted by allthumbs

I have a jazz piece I have put away for future attempts. It has really awkward chord changes and changes tempo. It's a bear.

Yeah - I don't think I'd ever make it in jazz.. although blues is really the most basic form of jazz, at least that what many jazz players say! (blues players don't always agree.

Originally Posted by allthumbs

That last take had some good moments in it Jim.

Thanks - I needed that!

Jim