[Toxer]

i've came across hundreds of the posts like this)

i'm going to buy a guitar. am i right saying that there's no guitar that is both sutable for comfortabe slide and fingerpick playing?

second question - has anybody tryed fender 48/50/50CE ? these are resonators i have an opportunity to buy.

and the third) Kirk, what makes your guitar sound growl and vibrate) i don't how to say. most most "sounds" i've heard (i speak of distorted sound mainly) are rather plane and yours roars. is it some strong low overtones (not too low, but still) that adds action to the sound?

[John]

Hello Toxer!

My resonator is set with medium to high action, and I am able to play slide and fingerpick without trouble. Since I prefer the sound of a resonator over that of a dreadnaught-type guitar, I use this guitar for all acoustic playing.

I'm sorry, but I have no personal experience with Fender resonators. I also frequent the 'big road blues' site, and I have noted some discussion of Fender resonators. There is also an extensive archive section, so it may be worth your time to check it out. However, don't be swayed by another player's opinion--you try the instrument yourself, and make your own judgements!

....and Kirk gets his sound because... he's Kirk!

That being said, Kirk, how 'bout givin' up the first few bars of "Jailhouse Blues"? I totally dig that opening growl :twisted: !

John

[1four5]

Fender reso reviews:
http://www.harmony-central.com/Guita...R_50CE-01.html
http://www.harmony-central.com/Guita.../FR_50-01.html
http://www.harmony-central.com/Guita...onator-01.html

[Toxer]

about fender resonators - the thing is that i can't try them - they are orderd from moscow. i won't have a chance of trying it...

i have about 500-600$ i know that it is too little for a good guitar. i have some options

to by fender resonators (thay are to only availabe) and have a guitar master build pickups in it. either standerd or piezoelectric ones. the second is a problem - i haven't sean them at all so it could be a problem to fing them. and about standard pickups - i don't know the first thing about them...and i guess that local masters don't have much experiance dealing with resonators.

the second is to find electric guitar sutable for slide playing. again here we don't have such) and it will cost all the money a have or so. so i'm thinking of buying a good guitar body and have a master build pickups in it.

so) can anyone say something about pickups?) i know how thay work...theoreticaly)

[Toxer]

and another question - to Cheap Jazz Box (don't know the your name, sorry)

what is "medium to high action"? and what is height of the strings over the neck? i have a guitar with ~50mm at 12 fret (but rather small mensure, i mean the lenght of sthe string - ~620-630), '13 strings and that is not sutable for fast/comfortable fingerpick playing higher than 8-9 fret...

[Toxer]

i think i've found it.( thanks to 1four5) at first i didn't notice pickups in fender-50CE) amd i was wondering what is a clever man that invented the way to change the volume and tone of a resonator...)

but if someone feels like answering about pickups - i'm still intrested.

theoreticaly each pickup has its personal spectrum overtones. (is it true?)and i've heard that some pickups are quicker than others - is it because of pickups or the folowing electric stuff?

[John]

Toxer:

The term "action" refers to the height of the strings above the fretboard. You may also hear the term "neck relief" or "relief" used. Same thing. Now, we don't use the metric system over here, but isn't 50mm the same as 5cm? That would be something like an inch and a half over the 12th fret. :?

My resonator strings are exactly 1/2 cm over the 12th fret. I read that as 5 mm. Is this correct? In any case, this is what I am calling "medium to high action." I can do both--slide and fingerpick--with my strings at this height above the fretboard.

John (Ivan, I believe..)

[Toxer]

i've completely forgot that you don't use meters...

some days ago my friend tryed to play my guitar. than he complaint of the action. i meen that i wont be able to play Jimmy Hendrix on this guitar and slide or fingerpicks is a kind of fate) different guitars are needed.

[allthumbs]

Originally Posted by Toxer

i've completely forgot that you don't use meters...

some days ago my friend tryed to play my guitar. than he complaint of the action. i meen that i wont be able to play Jimmy Hendrix on this guitar and slide or fingerpicks is a kind of fate) different guitars are needed.

You want to play hendrix as well as slide you will need two guitars. Hendrix played in standard so unless you are going to slide in standard, it will drive you nuts retuning your guitar. You generaly use heavier strings for slide so that is also going to effect your ability to bend notes. You should consider an agile reso. It already has the pickups on it. I think it's cheaper than the fender. Frankly, I have never read about anyone being happy with the fender reso.
You can slide just fine on any electric. Take a slide with you to a music store and play everything. You can be surprised by how great some really cheap guitars are for slide. I have a Mann guitar with poorly wound humbuckers that just howls with a slide. It's the best slide guitar i have for dark tones. It is way better than my srv sig strat which cost 6 times more.

I just posted a tune I found hendrix played with a reso. hows that for timing.

[LightninBoy]

Toxer.
Action, (or string height) is usually measured at the 12th fret, between the top of the fret and the bottom of the string.
On my Maton Messiah, which I use for standard acoustic guitar work(ie.fingerpicking) the string height at the 12th fret is about 3mm.
(Measured on the 6th string).
On my National Duolian the string height at the 12th fret is about 4mm.
Same on my spider reso (Dobro).
There's not a lot of difference really.
Some prefer an action of about 5mm for slide,
however.
The same guitar can easily be used for slide, and normal fingerpicking.
('m guessing you meant 5mm, not 50mm on your guitar).
Also, neck relief is not the same as action.
Neck relief is the slight bend in the neck that allows the strings to vibrate in an "S'shape, which is adjusted by the truss rod.

Some cheap ply top guitars sound great for slide, and combined with a soundhole p/up, you will get some great blues tones.
I haven't heard many nice things about the Fender reso's.
Johnson seem to have a good reputation for a cheap reso.
Keep in mind that reso p/ups dont really capture the reso sound as well as a mike.IMO.

I agree with Allthumbs about electric guitars, they all sound great for slide.
Try a Fender Squier, they're cheap, and sound great.

[Toxer]

i'm at a loss...

the thig is that i don't have any idea of the electric sound i want...and i have no experiance of having eluctric guitar. and i can't say we have a wide choice of guitars. ok, i'll go and try them all)

any tips than on what to look at when buying a guitar (exept sound and look)?

[allthumbs]

Find a guitar players forum in russia if you can. Ask them for pointers on which guitars are good in your country. One of the guys in ZZ Top has among his many guitars, a Russian made one. He can't play it brcause apperently Russia uses a different cable size than standard, at least on that model of giutar. You can find good riviews of guitars at Harmony Central. Use the internet for your research. Google How to buy a giutar or guitar maintenance to tell you what to look for.
You are looking for the same things you would look for in fine furniture with a guitar. You want everything to fit, good craftsmanship. Look at where the neck joins the body, It should look like a solid joint, no gaps. Check out the neck, make sure it is straight not warped to the side or twisted. Just sight down the neck like you would for a piece of lumber.
Sounds like you need to google for the players you like the sound of and see what they are playing, single coil or humbuckers. You like hendrix, then single coil is the way to go for you. It is much better for you to play a guitar you are thinking of buying. You can order a 2000 buck guitar and end up with a poor sounding guitar or find a beatup junker in a pawn shop that just blows you away. Sometimes it is the luck of the draw what your going to get when you order a guitar. good luck

[allthumbs]

russian jag type
http://www.ukclassifieds.co.uk/page-...333063a15c1573

[allthumbs]

review russian made
http://www.harmony-central.com/Guita.../Kirov-01.html

[Toxer]

the review on fender reso at harmony-central says that it is a good resonator)