[Old Mr. Wilson]

I have decided to try to learn guitar. I sold guitars 'bout 27 and so years ago (also worked on amps) and my father played and teached. Unfortunately, when "we" sat down together things just didn't "pan out". I have "fiddled farted" on the guitar for decades and seem to have some sort of knack for it ,just have never wanted to be dedicated. Last year I went in to a music store ( much like the one I worked in when I was a young 25 year old cock) to buy my son an acoustic. Knowing what guitars really cost the franchises made me want to vomit when looking at sticker prices. I went in to checkout some Fenders, Gibsons, blah blah. I started gazing at where these guitars were "made". I could feel myself "peaking" and started ranting about the Communists and how we were supporting the sobs. Well, the salesman took me over to another section and asked if I'd buy one from California? It was a tiny bit over what I wanted to spend but I bought my son a Taylor Big Baby (2005 year model-new). It played wonderfully and had a great low action. Not very bassey but understandibly so with it's shallower body depth. Now my son has lost interest and "I" find it enjoyable to "fool around" with it. I want to do this. I guess I need to find a teacher that will put up with me in my older years. Thanks for listening.

p.s. I paid $380 for it and gigbag and tools. Those things are retailing for nearly 600 this year. I guess he wanted me and that guitar out of the store. hahahahahahahahahahaha

[Stratrat]

Congrats, Mr. Wilson. Taylors are great guitars. I have a 110e acoustic/electric and absolutely love it. I played a lot of guitars when I was trying to decide which one to buy, and the Taylor wasn't the one I really "wanted" to want (I really liked the looks of the Breedlove better), but I kept coming back to it for its sound. It won out and came home with me, and I haven't regretted it once.

[nelu17]

acoustic guitar is my choice

[Symmes1]

I am thinking about buying a Big Baby Taylor guitar. Does anyone have any information on this particulary guitar? I would appreciate the info.

[allthumbs]

They are great guitars. very popular. Google reviews and you will find lots of reviews.

[Dug.h]

Very Informative.....I have a question. Decided to learn late in life. Want to get an accoustic and figure to spend $500-$600 so as I progress I won't feel the need to trade up right away. Done tons of research and review all kinds of reviews. Kind of torn between the Martin or Seagull. Want to learn country, folk, some blues and particually fingerpicking. Only learning to play at home on the couch in front of the fire. Over 6 ft. and long arms if it matters. Want best tone and easiest to learn on for the money. Whatcha think? Any recommedations in particular? Appreciate the help.

Originally Posted by Ultimate Garage Band

As earlier mentioned, acoustic guitars can be broken down into 2 distinct groups, steel string and nylon string. Let’s look at them in greater detail.

Steel string acoustics are, by far, the most commonly played acoustic guitars. What’s funny is most actually use a bronze alloy string but they’re called ‘steel’ string anyway. There are several different kinds of steel string guitars and they are probably best described by the name given to the body style. The most common are:

The Dreadnought
The Jumbo
The Grand Auditorium
The OM
The 000
The 00
The 0
The Folk
The Parlor

And many, MANY others some being copies or variations of the above.

Now, for the sake of this thread, in order to not overwhelm with too much data, let’s sort of group these into 3 categories we can generally call, big, medium, and small. There is going to be a bit of overlapping but in very general terms, the dreadnought, the jumbo, the grand auditorium and the OM could be called ‘big’ guitars. They generally have large bodies, the necks join the bodies at the 14th fret, and they are ‘full scale’ guitars coming in somewhere around 25 inches in very broad terms. The dreadnought and Jumbo are the biggest of that group and by far and away the most popular steel string body style sold is the dreadnought. It a very large, loud guitar made for solid rhythm strumming and is best played standing up. It’s very commonly used in Rock, Country, and Bluegrass.

In the medium group we could have the Grand Auditorium, the OM, the 000 and the Folk. These guitars will handle rhythm strumming but are probably best suited for finger picking. Many in this group do not have a pickguard. These guitars are also typically full scale and usually have the neck join at the 14th fret. They are more comfortable to play sitting down than a larger guitar and are often found in Rock, Country, Blues, and ‘fingerstyle’ jazz.

In the small group we have the 00, the 0, and the parlor. Another type of guitar we could put in this group are ‘scaled’ guitars such as a ¾ size dreadnought. Small guitars usually feature a shorter scale, the body and neck join at the 12th fret, there’s usually no pickguard, and these guitars are best suited for finger picking and they are incredibly comfortable to hold and play sitting down. They are typically found in Blues and some fingerstyle jazz.

There is another category of steel string acoustic and that would be the jazz guitar, either a ‘gypsy’ jazz or an archtop. These models typically exceed the entry level price point of a first time player so I’m not going to address them.

The nylon string guitar is basically placed into 2 groups, the classical guitar and the flamenco guitar. There is not near the selection of body styles and sizes. Typically there is a full size and a scaled size as in a ¾ classical. There are some other models out there such as 2 models of Parlor sized bodies from the Godin company, but the focus is really on the full size models.

I’ll use this opportunity to highlight some major differences between steel string and nylon string guitars. As I mentioned in the other thread, to just identify them by string type is shortsighted.

Most nylon string guitars do not have an adjustable truss rod because the necks are under so much less tension from the nylon strings. This is one of the most attractive reasons many new players opt for a nylon string; they are much easier on the fingers in the beginning. The necks are wider and flatter than steel string guitars. They are played with the fingers not a pick. The guitar is held over the left leg and the left foot is usually on a footstool. They are never played standing up. They always join the body to the neck at the 12th fret. They often do not have as many side position dot markers and never have dot markers on the fretboard itself. The construction method is different than a steel string typically using a ‘fan brace’ method as opposed to the ‘X’ brace method of steel string acoustics. The strings tie onto the bridge whereas steel string guitars use a ball end string with bridge pins. Can you see how different these guitars are from steel strings? Here’s another remarkable difference.

In the classical guitar market there is really no middle ground of models and prices. There are basically 2 groups; student models and performer models. Understand that in this realm, a $2000 guitar is still considered a ‘student’ model! Any classical guitar by a major guitar company like Washburn, Fender, Ibanez, etc. would be considered a student model. 99% of student models sell from $100-$1000. A serious performance instrument begins at around $4000. In the lower end of product offerings, nylon string guitars are not as loud as steel string guitars.

Things to look for in ANY acoustic guitar:

A solid top will have a more pleasing tone and a louder tone than a laminate top. Guitar companies do many things to make the unobservant purchaser think they are purchasing a solid top guitar when the top is actually a laminate. For instance:

All spruce top
100% spruce top
Vintage toned spruce top
Beautiful spruce top
Spruce top

All of the above are LAMINATE tops! Unless the word ‘solid’ is next to the word ‘top’, it’s a laminate top. ‘Solid spruce top’ is a solid top. Anything else is a laminate. In an entry level instrument, expect to purchase a guitar with a laminate back and a laminate body/sides. I’m also not inferring that a laminate top does not have a place in the guitar world. They are more durable for kids that tend to knock them around a bit more, they hold up better to abuse/knicks when camping, etc. They fight feedback better when used in a louder, amplified environment. If your first guitar has a solid top, you’ll probably keep it longer. The longer you keep a guitar, the more value it imparts to you.

[mantablueraider]

Originally Posted by Dug.h

Very Informative.....I have a question. Decided to learn late in life. Want to get an accoustic and figure to spend $500-$600 so as I progress I won't feel the need to trade up right away. Done tons of research and review all kinds of reviews. Kind of torn between the Martin or Seagull. Want to learn country, folk, some blues and particually fingerpicking. Only learning to play at home on the couch in front of the fire. Over 6 ft. and long arms if it matters. Want best tone and easiest to learn on for the money. Whatcha think? Any recommedations in particular? Appreciate the help.

dug, i just recently after much debate and review readings "probably about 100 hrs. worth" yeah! settled on a $600 acoustic epiphone masterbilt. i've had it for 2 weeks now and very happy with it.. all solid wood in mahogany or rosewood, i got the rosewood which i would recomend for fingerpicking. the thread is located here with pics. Another Acoustic For Me! good luck in your hunt..

[sportsfan]

Originally Posted by Dug.h

Very Informative.....I have a question. Decided to learn late in life. Want to get an accoustic and figure to spend $500-$600 so as I progress I won't feel the need to trade up right away. Done tons of research and review all kinds of reviews. Kind of torn between the Martin or Seagull. Want to learn country, folk, some blues and particually fingerpicking. Only learning to play at home on the couch in front of the fire. Over 6 ft. and long arms if it matters. Want best tone and easiest to learn on for the money. Whatcha think? Any recommedations in particular? Appreciate the help.

Yes. The Seagull S6. This guitar is tough to pass up in its price range; in fact, it's tough to pass up in guitars running twice or maybe even 3x as much. The street price of the S6 is right around $400.

I don't own one now, but I did and gave it to my niece a few months ago. I'm referring to the original S6 with the cedar top. The tone is incredible for a guitar in its price range. Since you're going to play only on the sofa, the extra projection that a spruce top would give wouldn't be a concern, I think. Moreover, it's a short(er) scale guitar, which means less string tension than a "standard" (25.4") scale guitar which makes it easier on the fingers. The frets on the shorter scale are of course a bit closer together, too--all of this translates into easier playability. (Be sure to have any guitar set up properly according to your own playing style/comfort level before you seal the deal.) At least go to your local dealer and try one (or a few) out.

You also mention Martins: I've played a bunch of Martins (I own two), and not one below a list price of $1500 delivers what the S6 does for so much less (Less-expensive Martins do sound thinner--maybe what the OP was referring to when he says that Martins are too "trebley," since I've never heard or read that said of Martins before. Of course, there a lots of things I've never heard or read about guitars.)

Anyway, just my humble opinion, of course--and, truth be told, I'm a beginner myself, having been playing just short of three years. But my musician friends (who own custom-made guitars as well as those by Gallagher, Martin, Santa Cruz, etc) think the S6 is a fine-sounding instrument in its own right. In fact, it was their recommendations that led me to one.

FWIW and all that.

[sportsfan]

Ooops. I noticed well after I posted that this thread is a sticky. For whatever reason, it was in my mind that it was started by mantablueraider (the "OP" in my reply immediately above).

Apologies to UGB and to the forum in general.