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Buzzz! strings too low? Too high? READ THIS!!

There can be a variety of factors that affect low or high string action. The place I always start is checking the guitar for proper relief. You start here too. Still have a problem? Start a thread and ask.



Truss rod adjustment


There are a couple of areas of guitar maintenence and adjustment that players would be better off if they could do them on their own, when needed. Some aren't comfortable doing it, and that's ok. Lots of people work on their own cars and lots of people take them to a garage. The same is true for guitars.

The term we need to get comfortable with is relief. Relief refers to the position of the headstock in relation to the plane of the fingerboard. A good way to understand this is to envision what exactly we are relieving and that is string space above the frets. If the strings on a guitar are 1/2" off the frets then the guitar has way too much relief. If the strings are actually resting on the frets then they have no relief. We adjust relief by adjusting the truss rod:

TIGHTEN the truss rod to REMOVE relief

LOOSEN the truss rod to ADD relief.


How to do it? First, to do it alone you'll need a capo. Even if you never use a capo to play, it's worth getting one just to make these kinds of adjustments. It will pay for itself the first time you use it to set up your guitar. Don't get the cheapie capos that have an elastic strap with metal eye holes in the strap, or if you do, make sure you put a protective cloth between the metal eye holes and the finish on the back of your neck. They can and will scratch your finish. If you don't have a capo then you need a friend with at least one hand.

Tune your guitar to 440 concert pitch (A string is tuned to A. Standard tuning; no alternate tunings.) Capo the first fret. Fret the 6th string at the 15th or 16th fret. Take 2 business cards and slip them between the 6th string and the 7th fret. Do the cards actually lift the string up to squeeze in? You need to add relief. This means that your guitar probably had low action but buzzed pretty badly when you played. Do the 2 business cards slip inbetween the 7th fret and the 6th string without touching either? This means you need to take away relief. Your guitar probably has high action and no buzzing.

The more complicated adjustment is to remove relief/tighten the truss rod. The first thing we need to do in this adjustment is to detune the guitar to remove string tension. You do not want to adjust this truss rod fighting the pulling energy of the strings. This is a major and common mistake by inexperienced technicians and can quickly lead to stripped nuts or wrenches or worse.

Once you've loosened the strings, place the adjustment tool into the truss rod end and make sure the tool is fully engaged and properly inserted. If the guitar is older or it's been a while since the last adjustment, it's probably a good idea to first note where the truss rod nut is and then loosen it. If the nut won't loosen, chances are it won't tighten either and you could stand a chance of doing some serious damage here. If it loosens well, then, noting where the nut was when you first started, begin to tighten it.

Go with about 1/4 of a rotation, CLOCKWISE, so say you move the nut from 6 o'clock to 9 o'clock, then stop. Tune it back up, re-capo, re-check your measurement at the 7th fret while fretting higher up on the neck. Perfect? You're done. Need to go some more? Uncapo, detune, and adjust more, this time going only about 1/8 of a turn. Tune up, capo up, measure, etc. If you still need to adjust more, go about 1/8 to 1/4 more if the nut turns easily enough. You don't want to adjust too much in one day. Here's part two; the neck can/will continue to move after the adjustment is made. Sometimes you dial it in perfectly and then a couple of days later actually have to go back and adjust it the other way.

The key point I want to make in this adjustment is NEVER FORCE THE TRUSS ROD. If it's too hard/stiff to move then take it in to a shop. If after the first day of adjustment you still need to adjust further do it as long as you go about 1/2 a turn a day and give it a day to settle in. If the nut becomes too difficult to turn and you still have a ways to go, take it in.

To loosen the truss rod to add relief, the strings pulling tension actually help you make this adjustment, so don't detune them. Again, making sure the adjustment tool is properly inserted and fully engaged, turn the nut 1/4 turn COUNTER CLOCKWISE from about 6 o'clock to 3 o'clock. Tune it, capo it, check it out.

That's it! No mystery. If you try and can't do it, take it in, but try it first. It's not rocket science. In a future sticky I'll cover setting the intonation on your electric guitar or electric bass.


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Couldn't have done it without the tips fella's....much appreciated. Thanks for the 'hump' info UGB, was worried it had to be virtually level with strings off.
I bought a long steel ruler to use as a straightedge lying along the frets with strings in tune but my eyes aren't too flash so couldn't see the spaces of any.
So bought what they call an Opti-Visor you can wear and work hands free with around 3x magnification...they are a godsend for all delicate soldering jobs etc..
Bought it online from some mining mob up in Queensland. Can be worn over your glasses if you wear them. Best $25 I ever spent lol.

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I'm not sure if this is the right place to put this, but I'm having trouble with my A string. I've got a Squier Affinity Strat that still has the original strings on it. Its hardly been used. On my first day of practise, everything was fine. When I went back to it on the second day, the A string sounded flat. At least I think thats the term. I've got an electronic tuner on my effects pedal, and according to that all of the strings are tuned properly. So I tried that fifth fret method, and everything is fine apart from that A string. I can't see how I can get the low E and A strings to sound the same. My guitar isn't knackered is it?


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I'm not sure if this is the right place to put this, but I'm having trouble with my A string. I've got a Squier Affinity Strat that still has the original strings on it. Its hardly been used. On my first day of practise, everything was fine. When I went back to it on the second day, the A string sounded flat. At least I think thats the term. I've got an electronic tuner on my effects pedal, and according to that all of the strings are tuned properly. So I tried that fifth fret method, and everything is fine apart from that A string. I can't see how I can get the low E and A strings to sound the same. My guitar isn't knackered is it?
I doubt the squire was set up before you bought it. Sounds like an intonation problem. Read UGBs post on intonating your guitar.

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I doubt the squire was set up before you bought it. Sounds like an intonation problem. Read UGBs post on intonating your guitar.
It used to be okay, but it suddenly went like this overnight. It does sound like intonation from that thread. I'm going to need to reread it (alot). Thanks.


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If your worried about trying intonating it yourself, two options..
a) take it to a tech and get it setup
b) try restringing first... old strings can play funny buggers with your ears (in my exp anyway)


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I agree with Matty. Take it in and get a really good setup. It can make a big difference to how well your guitar can play and sound. Check the string height too while your looking at the tech forum.

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If your worried about trying intonating it yourself, two options..
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b) try restringing first... old strings can play funny buggers with your ears (in my exp anyway)
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I agree with Matty. Take it in and get a really good setup. It can make a big difference to how well your guitar can play and sound. Check the string height too while your looking at the tech forum.
It looks like my only option is taking it to someone. I'm completely new to the guitar. I really don't know anything technical, and I'm still bricking myself about changing my strings. I don't have much spare money, so I want to make them last as long as possible. Would I have to pay for someone to set the guitar up?

Thanks for the advice by the way. Its much appreciated, as always.


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It looks like my only option is taking it to someone. I'm completely new to the guitar. I really don't know anything technical, and I'm still bricking myself about changing my strings. I don't have much spare money, so I want to make them last as long as possible. Would I have to pay for someone to set the guitar up?

Thanks for the advice by the way. Its much appreciated, as always.
Unless you have a friend with the skills then you wil have to take it in. A simple setup can cost around 30 buck. It depends where you take it.

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Unless you have a friend with the skills then you wil have to take it in. A simple setup can cost around 30 buck. It depends where you take it.
Okay then. I'll have a look around for decent places. I might just take it back to the shop I got it from. They seemed like they knew what they were doing. Thanks for everything.


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what if i have a floyd rose?
i am getting the buzz only on my low E string and it is around the 15 to around 19 fret

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what if i have a floyd rose?
i am getting the buzz only on my low E string and it is around the 15 to around 19 fret
Raise the bridge until the buzz is gone. Check your intonation.


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  440 hz concert pitch tuning?

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Truss rod adjustment

TIGHTEN the truss rod to REMOVE relief

LOOSEN the truss rod to ADD relief.


How to do it? First, to do it alone you'll need a capo. Even if you never use a capo to play, it's worth getting one just to make these kinds of adjustments. It will pay for itself the first time you use it to set up your guitar. Don't get the cheapie capos that have an elastic strap with metal eye holes in the strap, or if you do, make sure you put a protective cloth between the metal eye holes and the finish on the back of your neck. They can and will scratch your finish. If you don't have a capo then you need a friend with at least one hand.

Tune your guitar to 440 concert pitch. Capo the first fret. Fret the 6th string at the 15th or 16th fret. yada, yada, yada...
Hello all,

I was wondering about how do you actually tune your guitar to 440 hz concert pitch? I have a metronome with a 440 hz signal but what on the guitar gets set to this frequency? I also have an electronic tuner with the same signal. Just wondering

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Setting the guitar up really isn't that hard at all. I just did my own last night, and I am a newcomer to the guitar. Just follow the instructions and be patient, don't do anything too hastily. My action is so low i barely have to put any pressure on the strings now, I love it!

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Hello all,

I was wondering about how do you actually tune your guitar to 440 hz concert pitch? I have a metronome with a 440 hz signal but what on the guitar gets set to this frequency? I also have an electronic tuner with the same signal. Just wondering

your A string should be tuned to 440. 440 is 'normal' tuning for a guitar; not drop D, not DAGDAD, etc.

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I've done the setup on two of my guitars now - have never touched a truss rod adjustment before, but the instructions here made it easy. Thanks, UGB!


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