[nocat]

LOL... Sounds like just about every concert I've ever been to...!!! :o)

[Alfcarguy]

Wern Halen welcome to festivals, I never been to a festival events cause thats how I believed they are. They take your crap before you enter in. And charge you out the butt for the drinks and anything else. And your outside all day in the heat, rain, or whatever kind of weather there is. And I don't care to listen to 12hrs of music and to walk around all day wasting time. No go for me on festivals. I believe its a cheap shot for bands to just do festivals. So they don't have to tour like they use to. Hit ever town and stay out 1 yr 1/2 supporting an album. Its not like that anymore they go out for about a few months come off do there own things and than go back out for another few months. Alot of bands doing it thou, one reason I believe their doing it like that cause they can't sell out every place anymore and the ticket sells wouldn't be great. Cause there's really not a rock and roll- Heavy Metal seen. In my opinion. So they have to get 10 billion bands together to play show's.

[WernHalen]

I agree with you alfcarguy the bands dont really want to work anymore... but i must also say that when you get to the point where you can retire you dont want to wrok very hard anymore anyway... in SA there is a fairly big rock/metal scene but I doubt they would sell out in the smaller towns. The rock and metal scene in SA usually happens in dedicated clubs, with the odd open air rock show by two or three bands... Some bands do do tours in SA but that happens very rarely...

nocat, the festivals in SA are fairly well organised and the quality of the shows are usually very good. So i dont mind going to them but this was bloody rediculous...

One good thing that came from this, is i won the Plane Talk Book and DVD for the 10000 member contest. I actually chose the date by way of the date I was going to see Metallica... And earlier in the post I said I cant believe how lucky I could be on friday the 13th... just imagine...

[Alfcarguy]

WernHalen you got what I was saying, I was not getting what I was saying. But its true bands don't want to travel anymore. And Metallica could have retired along long time ago. There set up for life the way they are, they've made millions and made people in the record industry rich rich rich. I've read in the lawsuit that David Ellison from Megadeth filed against the band a few years ago. That Megadeth alone grossed around 200 million dollars throughout the bands history and Megadeth wasn't top sellers like Metallica. I think it was 200 million dollars I don't know that I have the law suit file anymore but I will see if I have it later. One thing I know is that they have made alot of money and still making money. The sad part about it is there not connected with there fan's like they use to. If you can't name all the members past and present are you really a fan. Cause most people that go see Metallica don't even know the members names so how can you really be a fan.

[nocat]

I saw 'Tallica twice live, once in 198*cough,cough*, at a concert at Madison Square Garden,
where they opened for Ozzy. Cliff was still alive, and Ozzy was still credible
as a metal god... He had this incredible young guitarist, Randy Rhoads... perhaps some
of you have heard of him...!!!

You wanna talk about pandemonium...!!! Metallica played an incredible set, I believe it
was the Master of Puppets tour... All was well, and the metal gods where smiling down
on the festivities... Then, Ozzy takes the stage... The first words he screams in to
the microphone are "LET'S START A %*$#*& RIOT....!!!!" Apparently those words held some
sort of persuasive power, because in a matter of minutes you could no longer see the stage...
the air was filled with flying seat cushions, hastily removed articles of clothing, beverage
containers and basically anything that wasn't nailed down...!!!

The high spirits transferred themselves to the parking lot after the show, where a number
of cars where overturned, some of which belonged to some very bewildered police
officers...!!!
The outcome of this is that Ozzy was banned for like 10 years from playing at that
particular venue...!!! I must add that a most excellent time was had by all...!!!!

[Alfcarguy]

Nocat I think you meant to say 86 I believe that's when they were touring with Ozzy, I just remember a guy I was going to school in the 8th grade came up to me taking about it I didn't hang with the guy or anything. He said he got kicked out cause he got caught trying to get beer or had a beer in his hand. So he watched the show outside and I remember him talking about Cliff. But they were only playing at like a 5,000 seat house. Stand up only room no chairs or anything like that.
I've seen White Zombie twice and I know what you mean by chair's flying and such. That concert was so disorganized and Pantera sucked. The first thing the singer comes out saying for Pantera " We just got paid lets get this show started " Freakin idiots. I but the first time I seen Zombie I didn't even know who they were, but they rocked ended up getting a drum stick, I went to see Danzig. But this was about the time the music scene was changing. Cause when you see all these Skinheads doing there little circle dancing. You know things are changing. And bam thats when crap bands started popping up. And where are they now?

[WernHalen]

I am a fan of their music Alfcarguy not necessarily the people playing the music. I am funny in that way, I support bands and rugby teams and I dont know very much about the people in the band or team.

I do know some of them though. I sometimes think that the media hype around celebs are just that, HYPE. IMHO They are people just like you and me and they go to the toilet just as much as we do...

Listening to what you were saying, the SA music scene sounds much healthier then. We have a festival similar to Woodstock, i think. They have three or four stages playing a and the thing lasts the whole weekend. You get the really good bands playing as well as the mediocre, but I see them as a chance to appreciate the good ones more... But that is just my oppinion.

[Fong]

Saw them a fair few times in England. They are a great band and I have a drum stick from Lars that he threw into the crowd, all beaten to hell it is, that guy really hammers.

[Alfcarguy]

WernHalen I am not calling you out or anything about anybody. Don't get me wrong I am not trying to pick on you just chatting. But one thing you have right its about the music its not about James, Lars, Kirk, or the new guy bass player ( Robert ) . But back in the days I think true fan's , die hard fans wanted to know the people that were making the music. Even when I went to see Dio ( my first concert ) like in Nov 4, 1985 I believe thats what the day was, I knew of Dio heard his music but I didn't know Dio I didn't know he was in Black Sabbath never knew he was in Rainbow, I couldn't even at the time name a Dio song only the one that they seemed to play all the time until he came to town, And it was Rainbow in the dark. But after that I started getting into Dio. But at the Concert I was so freakin close to the stage I was in AHHH, seeing Vivian Cambell playing the guitar like he owned the thing, thats what changed my life. I remember saying to myself at the show thats what I want to do. And bam a few months I was getting my first guitar. I just wanted to say maybe it seem like I was coming at you, but I wasn't it doesn't matter who is who. Its about the music if you like it enjoy it. There's some new Metallica I like but I am old Metallica at heart. I remember the first time I heard Ride the lightening album I thought that is crap but after listen to it there's some good songs on there. It took me a while to really get into Metallica. Cause once I heard Sabbath, Motley Crues posters and the Crue was history. I was a big Crue fan than they made Girl's Girl's Girls ablum and I believe that was about the last Crue Album I bought, excepted when they got that new singer and that album'ed Rock that was pure rock n roll. But than they got Vince Neil back. But By then I was into Metallica and heavy and faster stuff. So don't think I was coming out to get you thats not what I was trying to do, I was just chatting nothing more not less. Just talking .