[PickNGrin]

Geez Andy --You know your stuff, could'nt agree more or said it better. I too, used to spend a LONG time with a vinyl record learning by ear, and deciphering the lyrics -remember how HARD it was to try and drop the stylus at the right spot on the record?
There was no other way -we had to work for it.

I can add this though,
"When was tab invented"

Believe it or not, WAAAAY back in early history, before guitar was what it is today. Supposedly, there are examples of tab 100's of years old for instruments like the lute.

However--from my personal life experiance, ---tab did not catch on and was not popular until about the mid to late 80's. --It was basically unheard of when I learned to play --I had to learn how to read music.

[6string]

yes Clapton etc learned the hard way but they admit that they did copy & rip off other peoples licks etc

i think the bottom line is the music industry is greedy & are lucky to make as much as they already do

[Clancy]

Originally Posted by 6string

Most of the lessons on this site are public domain including the songs
House of the Rising Sun
Greensleeves
jingle bells
amazing grace
forbidden games
love me tender - the music for this song is actually called "Aura Lee" which Elvis & Vera Matson put words to.

6string, did you find this information on the Internet? If so, where? I was looking at www.pdinfo.com - I found all but Forbidden Games there. Not sure about "Love Me Tender" - I think that one would be ok if we didn't have the title of "Love me Tender" - using that I think might be seen as an infringement... ah the joy of it all

Clancy

[missileman]

This is already hitting TAB sites. This is from one of my favorites Power Tab Archives:

[December 17th, 2005] Due to the recent actions of the MPA (see here), we had to change the available content temporarily. More information will be posted soon. Sorry for any inconveniences this change may cause. Thank you for your understanding and patience.

[missileman]

My last post has spawned me to dish out the $59 USD for Guitar Pro v5 which includes a free download of the entire 40,000 tabs from My Songbook.(while I still can)
I am too old to have any desire of listening to a song a thousand times to figure it out.
I have over 300 cassettes, 500 CDs, several large boxes of albums and a waist high stack of music books. I have dished out my fair share to the artist and producers, I feel no guilt whatsoever in downloading a few free tabs.

[6string]

Originally Posted by Clancy

6string, did you find this information on the Internet? If so, where? I was looking at www.pdinfo.com - I found all but Forbidden Games there. Not sure about "Love Me Tender" - I think that one would be ok if we didn't have the title of "Love me Tender" - using that I think might be seen as an infringement... ah the joy of it all

Clancy

I read it in a book somewhere about the Elvis song, its probably on the net somewhere.
Forbidden Games is not the real name of the song, its really called Romanza or Romance in english. Its by anonymous, definitely public domain.
I checked out the pd site also. You'll find Aura lee there as public domain, just download a free midi or mp3 of it and you'll see its the same song.
I think your okay with the name "Love me Tender" because your just using the melody for it, which is public domain, and your not using the lyrics. I dont think they can own a title to a song the same as lyrics as we have many different songs with the same name. You should be able to call it Love Me Tender and put your own lyrics to it if you want to.
Another thing in your favor is your operating form Australia, even if they won in the U.S,A they would have to start all over in your country to try and shut you down and not necessarily win. i.e. so far in Canada its not illegal to down load mp3's off the internet as per the last Court decision.
The 1st thing they try and do is scare you into shutting down, they really dont want to go to court, it cost them money also.

[Clancy]

Originally Posted by 6string

Forbidden Games is not the real name of the song, its really called Romanza or Romance in english.

ah yes, you're right, I forgot about that.

Originally Posted by 6string

You'll find Aura lee there as public domain, just download a free midi or mp3 of it and you'll see its the same song.
I think your okay with the name "Love me Tender" because your just using the melody for it, which is public domain, and your not using the lyrics. I dont think they can own a title to a song the same as lyrics as we have many different songs with the same name. You should be able to call it Love Me Tender and put your own lyrics to it if you want to

I'll do that. I'm not so sure about using the title of the song but I'll look into that further. What you're saying makes sense to me but these things don't always make sense.

Originally Posted by 6string

Another thing in your favor is your operating form Australia, even if they won in the U.S,A they would have to start all over in your country to try and shut you down and not necessarily win...

For now maybe... I'm actually contacting publishers at the moment and really getting nowhere, it's a grey area and I'm getting the run-around... nobody seems to be able to give me a definitive answer... It's just before Christmas and over here it's hard to get anywhere with any compnay in the summer holidays, that could be part of the problem, but I'll keep trying.

Originally Posted by 6string

i.e. so far in Canada its not illegal to down load mp3's off the internet as per the last Court decision.

I did hear about that a while back, I'm not so sure I agree with that ruling especially now that it's so easy to legally buy music online track by track. I think it is taking away from the musician and others involved in the production. I'm not quite sure how they justified that decision actually....

Thanks for all that 6string, it's appreciated

Clancy

[6string]

here's the thoughts/quote of the Owner of TotalTabs.com


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Well the MPA has no rights over ANY music they wish. They don't own the copyrights to all printed music. The artist owns the copyrights. The publishing company only owns the right to the their actual printing of the music. So, the way I look at it, unless I'm copying their music out of their book, they have no right to claim ownership.

Still, my theory is: keep a low profile and slide under the radar. That way I'll save the lawyer fees. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

[David]

Ever since I started trying to learn guitar a couple years ago, my music purchases have gone trough the roof. I surf around, find a tune I am interested in, try to learn it, then hit the wall 'cause I don't have the recording, and TAB won't show me the timing... Then I buy it. So I believe the crack-down is kind of stupid and self-defeating.

Just the same, I am real sorry to hear of this.

But if the Man comes and busts our fun, I'll bet there are ways GfB could re-invent itself... I'd pay anything to learn to play Coyote Wary, for example...


Keep on rockin'


David

[Kirk Lorange]

Originally Posted by David

I'd pay anything to learn to play Coyote Wary, for example...

Anything??

[danthelion]

The info found at this link seems to agree with what I have read in reference books. Guitar tab seems to have borrowed it's system from Lute music tab from the Renaissance period. So it has been around for centuries.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tablature

Do you think this argument has anything to do with the discussion?
"To steal ideas from one person is plagiarism; to steal from many is research". ;-)

[Jean]

Originally Posted by Kirk

Anything??

Uh oh! Kirks getting ideas...

[sale]

This is funny, you pay for tab book and you don't get anything and know they are gonna shut down all site that teach you guitar for free.

[Jean]

For some folk's, money makes the world go round

[GeorgeB]

I'm getting worried now, why?, because I'm 99% sure I pressed the no button but dont want to be branded a spy lol