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Barre Chords for Beginners and Beyond

Barre Chords for Beginners and Beyond

It's time to create a lesson-thread where all folks of experience can help our brothers and sisters who are new to learn and play and use barre chords. Such a dirty word at times and hard work for those who are starting out. But fear not! We're glad to help. Here ya go.

What are Barre Chords?

They are chord formations that can move up and down the fretboard. Stop here and open this lesson to check out the basics of them.

Keep that lesson open so we can take advantage of the great graphics that Kirk has on his lessons. Notice the first graphic you see: The E chord form moving up the neck two frets. This is what it's all about. At this point, we're only going to concentrate on two forms: The E major and the A major forms. The variations follow these easily but we need to get a grip on the basic principles first. We need visual anchors.

Let's use the fretboard map for both anchors. Keep this fretboard page open for reference, but for simplicity sake I'll repeat the E and A strings here.

0........1...........2..........3..........4..........5..........6..........7...........8...........9..........10.........11........12.........13........14.........

A ||-A#/Bb-|---B---|---C---|-C#/Db-|---D---|-D#/Eb-|---E---|---F---|-F#/Gb-|---G---|-G#/Ab-|---A---|-A#/Bb-|---B---|--

E ||---F----|F#/Gb-|---G---|-G#/Ab-|---A---|-A#/Bb-|---B---|---C---|-C#/Db-|---D---|-D#/Eb-|---E---|---F----|-F#/Gb|--

If this doesn't translate well for you in your monitor, just refer to the E and A strings on the fretboard map page.

The E form Barre

Starting with the top string or the low E, the open string is of course an E note. This is the bass note of the open E chord and the visual anchor for the E form barre chord. When you first learn to play the open E chord, you usually learn it by using the index, middle and ring fingers and it looks like this:


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Now play the same chord using the middle, ring and pinky fingers.


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What happens if you slide this formation up one fret and barre your index finger across all of the strings? Well, what's the first fretted note of the E string? An F of course, so it's the F major chord. And so on up the neck.


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Now open up the E Form Major page and check out how the rest of the E form barre chords work up the fingerboard.

The A form Barre

Starting with the next string, the A is of course an A note. This is the bass note of the open A chord and the visual anchor for the A form barre chord. When you first learn to play the open A chord, you often learn it by using the index, middle and ring fingers.


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This isn't always so, but go with me on this one for now.

Now play the same chord using the middle, ring and pinky fingers.


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What happens if you slide this formation up one fret and barre your index finger across all of the strings to the A string? Well, what's the first fretted note of the A string? A Bb of course. So it's a Bb chord. And so on up the neck.


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Now open up the A Form Major page and check out how the rest of the A form barre chords work up the fingerboard.

Ok, ok, there are variances on how the A and the A form barre chords are formed. Notice in the variations on the A form barre pictures below that I'm really only reaching over to the fret the A string and not barreing the rest. Work smarter, not harder! Sometimes your fingers just can't do any of these things. Here's another variation on the open A, and this is often used when playing electric.



And here's a couple of those variations on the A form barre.



"A form barre 2" comes in handy when you want to learn that rock and roll move.



To Sum it Up, Let's Talk...

Take a look at the photos...notice that I'm only barreing the strings that aren't covered by the other fingers. Take the E form barre for example, for a G chord: 355433. I only need to barre the 3's!! The middle, ring and pinky fingers are taking care of frets 5 and 4! This could make a difference in how you approach the form. For my hand specifically: as I barre across with the index finger, I go across as far as I can (see the third pic) so the B and bottom E strings are near the crease of the finger and hand. That way, I use the fleshy part of the finger to barre those strings. This leaves the fleshy part of finger near the tip to barre the top E.

Be sure to check out all the links under Chords and check out the chord pictorials and chord finders here at this site.

There's much to talk about as far as playing barre chords. One area you can work with is discovering that it's ok to play partial barre chords. There are many players who can't play full barre chords, and so they stick with partials. No problem. Often times partials are desirable. Let's talk about those.

Let's talk about the different ways you play the A forms. What are some of your tips on learning and playing barre chords? Where's the thumb supposed to be? Are there links to other threads from this site about barre chords? What happens when my hand starts cramping?

This lesson can also be found in my lesson forum. For a list of the lessons, click the Lessons for the Beginner and Beyond link below.


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Great pics and info.

Here's a couple more tips that the Guitar books that I've bought sometimes forgot to mention:
  • 1. Bar chords are not quick to learn. Most beginners take months not minutes to master them. Yes, months. It doesn't take long to understand the idea, but it usually takes a lot of work before the fingers can do them well. You are not alone if you're having difficulty - nearly all of us did.

    2. Bar chords are easier on electric guitar than acoustic.

    3. In many (if not most) situations you don't need all six strings ringing clearly. So try and master the knack of only strumming the strings you need. The minimum number of strings needed to make Major or Minor chords is three, and often that's enough. So look carefully and see which three strings most need to be fretted accurately. With many bar chords the three will be next to each other, so work on getting them clear, and then work outwards from there if you need a fuller sound, or additional notes.

    4. Most guides suggest 'rolling' your barring finger backwards a little, but experiment and see what works for you. Try slightly different amounts of fingertip overhang, slightly different amounts of curl and roll, etc. Also don't be afraid to try parts of the bar finger right on top of the fret wire. The thicker strings in particular can take a bit of overhang. And if you're going to get it wrong a little too much muting generally beats too much buzzing.
Try not to get frustrated if it takes waaay longer than you hope. It takes a lot of small adjustments (many of which are done sub-consciously) before the fingers and the brain get it all sorted and fully planted. I found that if I just did a few minutes of bar chord practice each day, without getting too worried about nailing it all quickly, the skill just sort of snuck up on me.

Good luck,

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Chris,
Thanks for the tips and encouragement. I'll keep on working on it! It's easy to just play the things that sound good instead of spending time on the more difficult stuff when you practice!

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It's easy to just play the things that sound good instead of spending time on the more difficult stuff when you practice!
True!

But there's an old saying that goes something like "It's OK for practice to sound bad - because you should be working on things you're not perfect at yet!". If that's the case then my practice is just terrific, as it usually sounds more than a bit rough round the edges... (Actually, the purists will probably tell us to take it slow and get it right, but I like to have a little leeway )

And don't forget Kirk's tip about partial bars. Many players seem to have a repertoire of different 'partial bars' where the barring index finger only presses down small number of necessary strings - not all six. In a great many cases that's all you need anyway. There's not really a reason why you have to go straight to what's probably the hardest one - the full six string number. Many people prefer to work their way up to that one, and learn some of the shorter easier bars first. Indeed, it seems that some players manage to mostly avoid using a full bar.

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Yeah, my instructor has shown us some partials and sometimes they are easier.

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Great pics and info.
Thanks Chris.

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4. Most guides suggest 'rolling' your barring finger backwards a little, but experiment and see what works for you. Try slightly different amounts of fingertip overhang, slightly different amounts of curl and roll, etc. Also don't be afraid to try parts of the bar finger right on top of the fret wire. The thicker strings in particular can take a bit of overhang. And if you're going to get it wrong a little too much muting generally beats too much buzzing.
Excellent insight! If you notice the pictures of my index finger, you'll see that it's curved. We all have to deal with the 'hand' we've been given (pun intended). Also, my finger is well, not exactly rolled forward but that's just the natural place on the finger where the bar occurs. And I'm always hanging just behind the fret wires. When I was learning I discovered that it just seemed like I needed to apply less pressure being just behind the fret wire. There's probably not alot of science or accuracy to that statement, but I could always guage better the threshold between 'enough pressure' and 'fretbuzz'.

And you're oh so right about the muting vs. buzzing.

Steve


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wow its perfect timing im studying barre chords for the moment will be a big help.

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I'm glad that it is. Go get 'em!


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Just what I needed, am havin trouble with bars myself

Thanks for adding yet another helpful lesson



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Just what I needed, am havin trouble with bars myself

Thanks for adding yet another helpful lesson

You're welcome. There will be more to come!


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Wow, what a great thread. I am 3 weeks into my quest to be able to play the guitar. I have been working on open chords so far, but I looked ahead on the instructional DVD I am using and barre chords are not too far away. I saw this thread and read it and I figured rather than complete all the open chord parts of the DVD and then arrive at the barre chords section cold and hence easily frustrated I have been devoting about 10-15 minutes a day trying to form and hold a barre chord.

It is pretty tricky at first but I am pleased to say that today I was able to play a number of very nice sounding G chords (E shape). Changing to it is another matter but it's progress for me and if I keep this up I should be able to handle the barre chords section of my DVD a lot better.

Thank you to everyone who contributed to this thread!

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....It is pretty tricky at first but I am pleased to say that today I was able to play a number of very nice sounding G chords (E shape). Changing to it is another matter but it's progress for me and if I keep this up I should be able to handle the barre chords section of my DVD a lot better.

Thank you to everyone who contributed to this thread!
Awesome job, keep up the work. It's paying off!


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Awesome job, keep up the work. It's paying off!
Particular thanks go to you SW, you did all the work and created the thread after all.

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ok...so let me see if i got this.

each fret is a note. the strings are tuned to each a different note E B G D A E. the notes go from A, A Ab/b# B C Cb/D# and so on. using the high e string, it goes E F Fb/G# G...

this same pattern work for open chords. if you use the E open cord [also called the E form or shape] shift it down 1 fret and capo it the first fret, you get an F chord in the E shape. shift it again you get Fb/G#, again down and you have G chord, in E shape? the key being it is the chord of the note your playing, but always in original chord shape? and this works for all open chords? it never changes?

so say a song has a chord progression of E A E D. ive played it with open chords. if i wanted to move it up the fret bored i chould play the E A E D chords by playing a D two frets up for an E and such?


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Sounds like you've got the idea ok, Newlite, but you've got your 6 strings back to front. EADGBE is the standard way of writing them.

And your sharps and flats are mixed up.
The note order is
A A#/Bb B C C#/Db D D#/Eb/ E F F#/Gb G G#/Ab

And the E chord would shift up (with barre or capo) to F F#/Gb G G#/Ab etc. It's the same for all chords.


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Newlite, Not quite...

The E string goes E F F#/Gb G G#/Ab etc

But as for taking that shape and sliding it up the neck and barring it (or capoing), thats right...

If you think of a C shape, you have the standard open shape
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then a 5th string Barre as x35553

or an 6th Barre as 8 10 10 9 8 8


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